Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.


freitasm

BDFL - Memuneh
79314 posts

Uber Geek

Administrator
ID Verified
Trusted
Geekzone
Lifetime subscriber

#69641 12-Oct-2010 14:18
Send private message

Received this press release:


Southern Cross Services Extended to 2025

Southern Cross Cables will now provide service on its fully diverse and protected undersea cable network until at least November 2025, Ross Pfeffer, Director Sales and Marketing announced today.

The previous commitment, until 2020, has been extended by Southern Cross for a further 5 years in line with the original technical life of the cable” Mr. Pfeffer said.

“This initiative to supply long term cost effective capacity on the protected Southern Cross Network has been welcomed by our customers. So instead of 10 years, customers will now be able to enjoy 15 years of value from their existing and new contracts. 

Our latest initiative follows the introduction of Drop Restoration in 2008 which effectively halved the cost of fully restored capacity. These measures have been in addition to the steady reduction in our long term capacity prices, by an average of 20% p.a. since service began in year 2000.”

Mr Pfeffer noted that the extension of service to 2025 has been made possible by three factors:
 
1. “Southern Cross and its suppliers have the highest confidence in its protected loop network which was engineered to perform to specification until 2025. 

2. Southern Cross has put all commercial supply arrangements in place until at least 2025 for cable station and NOC operation.
 
3. Having benefited from network performance, continuing product enhancements and reductions in both capacity and operational costs, our customers have been very keen to have Southern Cross confirm it will provide service for at least 15 more years.

With nearly 10 years of service history, the Southern Cross network continues to exceed its engineering specifications due to the:

a. high quality of its 28,500 kilometres of undersea fibres;

b. outstanding performance of the  3010 laser pumps (in the 462 undersea repeaters); and

c. continued improvements in transmission electronics associated with our regular capacity upgrade program.

While additional capacity purchase commitments are not required for the extension, customers will need to continue making Operations and Maintenance payments during the 2020 to 2025 extension period (previously their commitment ended in 2020).
 
Costing US$1.3 billion to construct, Southern Cross first entered service in November 2000 and since then has provided Australia and NZ with a secure backbone for broadband and other communications services. 
 
Future Capacity Upgrades 

Current technical expectations are that Southern Cross will be able to provide continued reliable service beyond 2025. In the meantime the capacity expansion programme is expected to continue through regular network upgrades and Southern Cross will continue to keep under review when and where new cables will be laid.
 
Over the next 15 years we expect to continue to pass on the benefits of continuing technological improvements in undersea transmission technology. The latest capacity upgrade, using improved 10 Gbps (Gigabits per second) transmission, was completed in April 2010 taking total network capacity to 1.2 Tbps (Terabits per second). Current total demand out of Australia and New Zealand is estimated to be around 0.7 Tbps.

We anticipate the next upgrade will be 18 to 36 months from now depending on demand. The next upgrade can be based on new 40 Gbps technology which has already been successfully tested on our longest undersea segments. This can take total capacity to 9.68 Tbps (or 4.8 Tbps per cable). 
 
Within the next 5 years we expect transmission upgrades will be able to use 100 Gbps, increasing even further the expected supply from Southern Cross.“





Please support Geekzone by subscribing, or using one of our referral links: Quic Broadband (free setup code: R587125ERQ6VE) | Samsung | AliExpress | Wise | Sharesies | Hatch | GoodSync 


Create new topic
freitasm

BDFL - Memuneh
79314 posts

Uber Geek

Administrator
ID Verified
Trusted
Geekzone
Lifetime subscriber

  #390954 12-Oct-2010 14:19
Send private message

Also, here is a Q&A sent with this release:


Q. How come you have just worked out now that the cable will last another 5 years?

A. It isn’t a new discovery really.  The cable was always built to last for at least 25 years and after 10 years of operations and an on-going testing programme we have the confidence to extend another 5 years until the original design life.

This is not the first time we have done this, in 2000 when we went live we only sold capacity until 2015, even though the design life was 2025. Around 2005 we started selling capacity until 2020. This is a continuation of the same process.

The continued performance of the laser pumps and technological advances over the last 5 years gives us total confidence that the cable will perform at the highest level until at least 2025


Q. What are the chances that the cable could last even longer than 2025? Will you actually ever need to lay a new cable if technology continues to improve?

A. We are committed to continued long term support and growth of the capacity supply in this region, and‘overbuild’ remains as part of that strategy. The chances are very high however that the existing cable will continue to perform past 2025, but that is so far out that its premature to speculate at this stage on whether we will use that ability or build a replacement system.


Q. What capacity does the cable have today compared to when it was first laid?

A. When the cable went live in 2000 it was configured with the standard new cable configuration of 80Gbps. Further the technology and view of the market at the time were based on an expectation of a total potential (protected) capacity of 120 Gbps across the network. By end 2002 we had surpassed this with protected capacity across the network at 240Gbps. Today, after our recent G3 upgrade we now have 2 x 620Gbps in service, over 10 times the initial anticipated potential.


Q. Why are you making this announcement now?

A. We have consistently explained to the media that the cable was engineered to 2025 and we are confident looking forward 15 years when making commitments to our customers on service supply. Our customers have also been increasingly keen over the last few years to extend their relationship with us.


Q. What will it mean for a Southern Cross customer?

A. For existing capacity purchases, our customers will have the surety that they will be able to use the capacity for the additional 5 years, i.e.  from 2020 until 2025. New purchases will be for capacity until 2025 instead of 2020. There is no change in pricing but customers will be making commitment to continue to pay the O&M for the extended period as they do today for the existing period.


Q. Is this effectively a price cut?

A. No, the price remains the same. What it does is provide the purchaser with the surety of access to the capacity for the longer period in line with the design life. This is in line with our close relationship with customers and continued commitment to pass on benefits as they become possible, much like our introduction of Drop Restoration two years ago at no additional cost. After 10 years of operations and our on-going testing and maintenance programme we have the confidence to extend another 5 years until the original design life and therefore pass this benefit on.


Q. With the UFB proposal the NZ government is backing and the FTTH in Australia  will the Southern Cross cable be able to handle the expected high increase in demand for broadband?

A. Unquestionably. We have enormous upgrade potential. We currently use 10Gbps transmission technology and we can very quickly substitute 40Gbps to increase our potential by 4 times.  On top of that we expect 100 Gbps to be an option within the next few years.





Please support Geekzone by subscribing, or using one of our referral links: Quic Broadband (free setup code: R587125ERQ6VE) | Samsung | AliExpress | Wise | Sharesies | Hatch | GoodSync 




mentalinc
3242 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

  #390958 12-Oct-2010 14:28
Send private message

Thanks Mr Morgan!
Only reason this is happening is fear of losing customers to Sam. Lock them into some more long term contracts.




CPU: AMD 5900x | RAM: GSKILL Trident Z Neo RGB F4-3600C16D-32GTZNC-32-GB | MB:  Asus X570-E | GFX: EVGA FTW3 Ultra RTX 3080Ti| Monitor: LG 27GL850-B 2560x1440

 

Quic: https://account.quic.nz/refer/473833 R473833EQKIBX 


richms
28198 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #390959 12-Oct-2010 14:29
Send private message


Q. Is this effectively a price cut?

A. No,


Stink. wish the other guys at pacific fiber all the best in that case.




Richard rich.ms



Screeb
698 posts

Ultimate Geek


  #391062 12-Oct-2010 19:14
Send private message


Q. What will it mean for a Southern Cross customer?

A. For existing capacity purchases, our customers will have the surety that they will be able to use the capacity for the additional 5 years, i.e.  from 2020 until 2025. New purchases will be for capacity until 2025 instead of 2020. There is no change in pricing but customers will be making commitment to continue to pay the O&M for the extended period as they do today for the existing period.


Q. Is this effectively a price cut?

A. No, the price remains the same. What it does is provide the purchaser with the surety of access to the capacity for the longer period in line with the design life. This is in line with our close relationship with customers and continued commitment to pass on benefits as they become possible, much like our introduction of Drop Restoration two years ago at no additional cost. After 10 years of operations and our on-going testing and maintenance programme we have the confidence to extend another 5 years until the original design life and therefore pass this benefit on.


Pacific Fibre would like to battle!

Pacific Fibre sent out PACIFIC FIBRE CABLE!

Go! SCC!

PACIFIC FIBRE CABLE used PRICE CUT!

It's super effective!

SCC used EXTEND CONTRACTS!

It's super effective!

PACIFIC FIBRE CABLE fainted!


(Maybe a little bit dramatic ;))

It's a shame, but not surprising, to see SCC fail to actually compete (ie on price).

richms
28198 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #391079 12-Oct-2010 20:36
Send private message

Those sound like the ideal lyrics to a kompressor song :)




Richard rich.ms

webnation
67 posts

Master Geek


  #391127 12-Oct-2010 23:12
Send private message

the thing is when Sam Morga's pacific fibre going to get the process going?
i hope they can have it build before 2025...

Ragnor
8223 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

  #391134 12-Oct-2010 23:58
Send private message

They are planning to have it completed by 2013.

Cost US $400 million.

ISP's and transit providers signing up for long term contracts is fairly standard for the industry.

 
 
 

Trade NZ and US shares and funds with Sharesies (affiliate link).
webwat
2036 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

  #391250 13-Oct-2010 11:10
Send private message

Bandwidth purchasers at this level generally want a longterm guarantee. They also want a good price and more bandwidth for their money, but often will get redundancy by purchasing capacity on both cables or from international networks that use both cables. They may not buy as much capacity on the more expensive cable, but then SC will probably be more expensive to maintain.




Time to find a new industry!


Cymro
283 posts

Ultimate Geek


  #391261 13-Oct-2010 11:22
Send private message

webwat: Bandwidth purchasers at this level generally want a longterm guarantee. They also want a good price and more bandwidth for their money, but often will get redundancy by purchasing capacity on both cables or from international networks that use both cables. They may not buy as much capacity on the more expensive cable, but then SC will probably be more expensive to maintain.


You have to factor in Protected vs. Unprotected capacity as well, with Protected you have some security in only having to buy capacity on one pipe (as it has built in fail-over to the other side of the loop), but buy cheaper unprotected capacity and your customers are screwed if it goes down and you don't have an expensive redundant link.

Some ISP's (although not sure if any in NZ) have started to get smart and funnel off low-grade traffic (P2P mainly and some HTTP downloads) over cheaper unprotected bandwidth whilst maintaining protected bandwidth for high-availability protocols.

cyril7
9058 posts

Uber Geek

ID Verified
Trusted
Subscriber

  #391296 13-Oct-2010 12:25
Send private message

Some ISP's (although not sure if any in NZ) have started to get smart and funnel off low-grade traffic (P2P mainly and some HTTP downloads) over cheaper unprotected bandwidth whilst maintaining protected bandwidth for high-availability protocols.


Hi, and what kind of reliablity are we talking here, when was the last time SC had any significant outage that would effect unprotected links.

Cyril



SteveON
1916 posts

Uber Geek


  #391310 13-Oct-2010 12:55

cyril7:
Some ISP's (although not sure if any in NZ) have started to get smart and funnel off low-grade traffic (P2P mainly and some HTTP downloads) over cheaper unprotected bandwidth whilst maintaining protected bandwidth for high-availability protocols.


Hi, and what kind of reliablity are we talking here, when was the last time SC had any significant outage that would effect unprotected links.

Cyril




I only ever recall it being out once, but this is the same issue I have with the two other cables that are planned... They aren't protected. 

Cymro
283 posts

Ultimate Geek


  #391335 13-Oct-2010 14:07
Send private message

cyril7:
Some ISP's (although not sure if any in NZ) have started to get smart and funnel off low-grade traffic (P2P mainly and some HTTP downloads) over cheaper unprotected bandwidth whilst maintaining protected bandwidth for high-availability protocols.


Hi, and what kind of reliablity are we talking here, when was the last time SC had any significant outage that would effect unprotected links.

Cyril




Can't really answer that as I'm not even sure if any ISP's/carriers are using unprotected over SC, however there was an outage on another (unprotected) pipe from Hawaii > LA a few months back that took out TW customers (from memory, bit fuzzy).

Guess it may depend on scale but I'm guessing 1x Protected is always cheaper than 2x Unprotected (for redundancy) but more expensive than 1x Unprotected (no redundancy).

Lots of room between the scenarios for variation though, e.g buy 10Gbps Protected capacity and 10Gbps of unproteced capacity, DPI and route all P2P and certain HTTP requests (Rapidshare etc.) over the unprotected link - Cheaper than 20Gbps of protected and you are willing to risk your file-sharers wrath, but youtube and the rest of the net works ok in an outage.

Ragnor
8223 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

  #391426 13-Oct-2010 17:25
Send private message

cyril7:
Some ISP's (although not sure if any in NZ) have started to get smart and funnel off low-grade traffic (P2P mainly and some HTTP downloads) over cheaper unprotected bandwidth whilst maintaining protected bandwidth for high-availability protocols.


Hi, and what kind of reliablity are we talking here, when was the last time SC had any significant outage that would effect unprotected links.

Cyril



Fairly recent example was the earthquake near Taiwan which crippled some of their major submarine cables, capacity was significantly reduced for quite some time.

cyril7
9058 posts

Uber Geek

ID Verified
Trusted
Subscriber

  #391452 13-Oct-2010 18:18
Send private message

but youtube and the rest of the net works ok in an outage.


Which is my point, residential best effort class broadband is not going to suffer. Anyway roll on Pacific Fibre.

Cyril

Create new topic





News and reviews »

Air New Zealand Starts AI adoption with OpenAI
Posted 24-Jul-2025 16:00


eero Pro 7 Review
Posted 23-Jul-2025 12:07


BeeStation Plus Review
Posted 21-Jul-2025 14:21


eero Unveils New Wi-Fi 7 Products in New Zealand
Posted 21-Jul-2025 00:01


WiZ Introduces HDMI Sync Box and other Light Devices
Posted 20-Jul-2025 17:32


RedShield Enhances DDoS and Bot Attack Protection
Posted 20-Jul-2025 17:26


Seagate Ships 30TB Drives
Posted 17-Jul-2025 11:24


Oclean AirPump A10 Water Flosser Review
Posted 13-Jul-2025 11:05


Samsung Galaxy Z Fold7: Raising the Bar for Smartphones
Posted 10-Jul-2025 02:01


Samsung Galaxy Z Flip7 Brings New Edge-To-Edge FlexWindow
Posted 10-Jul-2025 02:01


Epson Launches New AM-C550Z WorkForce Enterprise printer
Posted 9-Jul-2025 18:22


Samsung Releases Smart Monitor M9
Posted 9-Jul-2025 17:46


Nearly Half of Older Kiwis Still Write their Passwords on Paper
Posted 9-Jul-2025 08:42


D-Link 4G+ Cat6 Wi-Fi 6 DWR-933M Mobile Hotspot Review
Posted 1-Jul-2025 11:34


Oppo A5 Series Launches With New Levels of Durability
Posted 30-Jun-2025 10:15









Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.