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jjnz1

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#75595 20-Jan-2011 11:12

I recently recieved this email:

Traditionally, 'all-you-can-eat' broadband plans have sacrificed speed and quality rendering a home user's experience crippled with latency and peak issues, as well as slow download rates and an overall poor Internet experience. NZNET is very proud to offer an unprecedented unlimited, blazingly-fast broadband plan with no caps and no surcharges for only

$159.95 + GST per month
Also they are now offering 200GB for $129.95+GST

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#429133 20-Jan-2011 11:26

Sounds like quite good pricing there.

NonprayingMantis

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#429136 20-Jan-2011 11:35

I would say that pricing it so high means that the ratio of vampires to non-vampires is going to be much higher than on BigTime, Go Large or Slingshots AYCE plan.

There would have been quite a lot of people on big Time etc using, say, 10GB, and just buying hte plan for price certianty since it was pretty close in price to the 10GB plan. So although some people were downloading terabytes, the average was probably closer to 100GB I reckon. maybe even a bit less.

But nobody who uses less than 200GB would buy this plan though, since they are offering 200GB for $30 less, so the average user on this plan will probably be somewhere in the 4-500GB range.

therefore I suspect the service will likely be a lot *worse* than those plans.

If you ran an AYCE buffet and price it close to the price of a normal meal, say at $25/head, then you will get some fatties who stuff their faces and cost you lots of money, but you will also get a lot of people who only eat a little bit and they subsidise the fatties.

If you priced your AYCE buffet at $150/head though, then the only people you will get will be the humungous fatties who eat far more $ worth of food than the revenue will cover.

200GB for $129.95 isn't too bad though.

gehenna

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#429138 20-Jan-2011 11:36

Will wait for some testimonial accounts before shifting. But even the capped plan at 200GB is starting to get more realistic!

jbard

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#429140 20-Jan-2011 11:41

If their is no traffic management on this plan though, surely all their plans are going to have a speed decrease not just people on the unlimited plan.

sittingduckz

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#429146 20-Jan-2011 11:56

I'm currently with NZNET on the 100GB Max/Max and it's speed is fantastic. Large data files (depending on the server) will have a constant DL of 1.4-1.5 Mb/s.

My only complaint would be customer service can be a bit lacking. Data usage alerts sometimes don't happen or are late.

It appears to be a true 'as fast as your line' service

I'm not a complete idiot, I still have some parts missing.

jjnz1

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#429148 20-Jan-2011 11:59

I was told by one of their reps once that because they mainly cater for businesses, they have a lot of free bandwidth left at night. I am assuming that they are banking on the people that sign up to the AYCE plan will do just that, use it at night.

At that price one would think they could maintain an AYCE plan, but hey, who knows.

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#429149 20-Jan-2011 12:00

Interesting. Might consider the 200GB plan given that I'm not on a fixed term with Orcon. I can't see anything on their page about them providing home telephone though, so would need to go back to a dedicated provider for that, no?

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#429258 20-Jan-2011 16:51

"* We have a fair use policy to protect the performance for all our clients,
abuse the service and NZNET reserves the right to limit or discontinue providing you the service."

(from http://www.nznet.co.nz/unlimited_dsl_signup.php)

rm *

Ragnor

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#429266 20-Jan-2011 17:33

jbard: If their is no traffic management on this plan though, surely all their plans are going to have a speed decrease not just people on the unlimited plan.

Pretty much all ISP's do some form of classification, prioritisation and management in their network, it's just a matter of to what degree.

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#429439 21-Jan-2011 08:59

Which is where good honest testimonials from existing customers comes into it, otherwise the only way to know is to sign up and try it out....not keen on that personally :)

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#429752 22-Jan-2011 08:03

33. Fair Use Policy
If your internet plan doesn?t have a data limit/cap then you are subject to the ?Fair Use Policy?. This means that your usage of the internet must not be excessive, such as high use of pair to pair (P2P) file sharing. Excessive or ?unfair? use is solely decided by NZNET and can result in either restriction or termination of some services.

I guess we'll have to wait and see what NZNET deem 'fair use'. I love the 'pair to pair' though. Do NZNET have a minimum contract term? I couldn't immediately see it on their site.

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#429754 22-Jan-2011 08:25

Can someone who's connected to some traceroutes and tell me who their upstream is, pretty please?

Audiophiles are such twits! They buy such pointless stuff: Gold plated cables, $2000 power cords. Idiots.

OOOHHHH HYPERFIBRE!

Kraven

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#429762 22-Jan-2011 09:05

Tracing back from a box in LA it appears to be Vocus.

10 ip-162.203.31.114.VOCUS.net.au (114.31.203.162) 133.064 ms 132.974 ms 132.990 ms
11 120.136.0.162 (120.136.0.162) 133.214 ms 133.204 ms 133.182 ms
12 IP-180-189-211-1.nznet.gen.nz (180.189.211.1) 134.571 ms 135.428 ms 135.464 ms
13 virgil.nznet.gen.nz (180.189.208.20) 134.829 ms 134.783 ms 134.759 ms

Hop #11 is an IP address owned by www.vibecommunications.co.nz - I'm not sure if they are related to NZNET (ie. are owned by NZNET) or are infact their upstream provider. I also note that ping times seem to be a few ms higher when I ping NZNET, most other Auckland-based ISPs give something in the region of 124-127ms.

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#430153 23-Jan-2011 11:56

Kraven: Tracing back from a box in LA it appears to be Vocus.

Cheers!

Audiophiles are such twits! They buy such pointless stuff: Gold plated cables, $2000 power cords. Idiots.

OOOHHHH HYPERFIBRE!

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#430192 23-Jan-2011 15:01

NonprayingMantis: I would say that pricing it so high means that the ratio of vampires to non-vampires is going to be much higher than on BigTime, Go Large or Slingshots AYCE plan.

There would have been quite a lot of people on big Time etc using, say, 10GB, and just buying hte plan for price certianty since it was pretty close in price to the 10GB plan. So although some people were downloading terabytes, the average was probably closer to 100GB I reckon. maybe even a bit less.

But nobody who uses less than 200GB would buy this plan though, since they are offering 200GB for $30 less, so the average user on this plan will probably be somewhere in the 4-500GB range.

therefore I suspect the service will likely be a lot *worse* than those plans.

If you ran an AYCE buffet and price it close to the price of a normal meal, say at $25/head, then you will get some fatties who stuff their faces and cost you lots of money, but you will also get a lot of people who only eat a little bit and they subsidise the fatties.

If you priced your AYCE buffet at $150/head though, then the only people you will get will be the humungous fatties who eat far more $ worth of food than the revenue will cover.

200GB for $129.95 isn't too bad though.

I doubt there will be the data vampire issue given that it is $159.95 and not sub-$100 like the BigTime plan was - I'll bet my bottom dollar most of the data vampires were cheapskates hence the idea of paying more than $100 for a connection would send them into having a heart attack.

I also question how much of the data vampire activity was born out of people getting around the traffic shaping system and making hay whilst the sunshine hence downloading to the max before the loop hole is closed. Also, to be blunt Telecom were plain lazy - they could have setup an alert system to keep track of people downloading huge amounts per week/day and then investigate to see whether the person is working around the traffic shaping, if they were then they were violating the terms and conditions thus could have been booted off asap.

"When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called 'the People's Stick'"

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