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Topic # 94872 20-Dec-2011 16:44
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Hello.

MY ADSL cabinet is located literally at the end of my drive, so I get pretty decent speeds. I am not home at the moment so I can't post speedtest results, but I get about 18Mbps down and 0.8Mbps up.

Is there any way to get faster upload speed? I'm with Actrix, on their CyberJet Gamer plan. Because I'm running a server from home I find the upload speed to be really limiting.

Thanks in advance,
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  Reply # 560001 20-Dec-2011 16:45
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Arachan: Hello.

MY ADSL cabinet is located literally at the end of my drive, so I get pretty decent speeds. I am not home at the moment so I can't post speedtest results, but I get about 18Mbps down and 0.8Mbps up.

Is there any way to get faster upload speed? I'm with Actrix, on their CyberJet Gamer plan. Because I'm running a server from home I find the upload speed to be really limiting.

Thanks in advance,
arachan.


Get VDSL2 




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  Reply # 560002 20-Dec-2011 16:46
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Yup definitely can. Get VDSL2 which will give you probably 50mbps down and 10mbps up with a cabinet right at the end of your drive. Actrix can provide as can Snap, Unleash, Worldnet, Xtreme, Vibe and Hosting Direct





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  Reply # 560006 20-Dec-2011 16:55
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Depending on the equipment in your local phone exchange, you may have Annex M available to you. In some cases this can slightly increase upload speeds to around 2 megabit, However you may lose some downstream bandwidth. Try giving Actrix a call and see if they offer it.




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  Reply # 560012 20-Dec-2011 17:07
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Slingshot: Depending on the equipment in your local phone exchange, you may have Annex M available to you. In some cases this can slightly increase upload speeds to around 2 megabit, However you may lose some downstream bandwidth. Try giving Actrix a call and see if they offer it.


Haha hint from Slingshot to use their LLU based connections as they know Actrix use Chorus and can't =p. Not saying its a conspiracy.

Where are you located out of interest? May be other options such as fixed wireless and what kind of server?







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  Reply # 560016 20-Dec-2011 17:12
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Thanks for the quick responses.

I'm located in Ellerslie, Auckland. Is there a pricing page for Actrix's VDSL2? I can't seem to find it. The server is just running a couple of game servers and VoIP at the moment but I plan to expand to other services soon.

arachan.

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  Reply # 560294 21-Dec-2011 14:51
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Zeon:
Slingshot: Depending on the equipment in your local phone exchange, you may have Annex M available to you. In some cases this can slightly increase upload speeds to around 2 megabit, However you may lose some downstream bandwidth. Try giving Actrix a call and see if they offer it.


Haha hint from Slingshot to use their LLU based connections as they know Actrix use Chorus and can't =p. Not saying its a conspiracy.

Where are you located out of interest? May be other options such as fixed wireless and what kind of server?


Its a conspiracy. Slingshot dont have any equipment in the roadside cabinets... However you could check whether you have QoS on your modem, which may be able to give priority to your server and hopefully not slow down the total throughput too much.




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  Reply # 587484 27-Feb-2012 18:27
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Hello,

I know I'm resurecting a dead thread here, but...

This is still a major issue for me. I gave Actrix a call and they said they don't supply VDSL to residential customers and they also don't supply any other plans that increase upload speed. So I assume that means no Annex M.

I had a look at some other ISPs VDSL options, and Snap costs $50 on top of ADSL which seems like a lot... or is that standard for VDSL?

Any ideas?

Thanks,
arachan.

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  Reply # 587491 27-Feb-2012 18:51
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Arachan: Hello,

I know I'm resurecting a dead thread here, but...

This is still a major issue for me. I gave Actrix a call and they said they don't supply VDSL to residential customers and they also don't supply any other plans that increase upload speed. So I assume that means no Annex M.

I had a look at some other ISPs VDSL options, and Snap costs $50 on top of ADSL which seems like a lot... or is that standard for VDSL?

Any ideas?

Thanks,
arachan.


$12 a week - two cups of coffee.

Have you considered sharing your connection with your neighbour?  Then you could both benefit.





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  Reply # 587499 27-Feb-2012 19:07
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DonGould:

$12 a week - two cups of coffee.

Have you considered sharing your connection with your neighbour?  Then you could both benefit.



Or alternatively, SIX COFFEES A WEEK if you buy them at $2 each (KFC for example).

I don't know where you're buying coffees at $6 each, but I guess if you can afford that then $50/month extra for VDSL doesn't seem too much :-)

I know I have never paid $6 for a coffee in my life.

Cheers - N


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  Reply # 587508 27-Feb-2012 19:16
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Arachan: Hello,


I had a look at some other ISPs VDSL options, and Snap costs $50 on top of ADSL which seems like a lot... or is that standard for VDSL?

Any ideas?

Thanks,
arachan.


Yep, $50 extra is the standard charge. (Since telecom wholesale/chorus 2/whatever charge extra for it, so ISPs pass it on)


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  Reply # 587512 27-Feb-2012 19:22
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Talkiet:
DonGould:

$12 a week - two cups of coffee.

Have you considered sharing your connection with your neighbour?  Then you could both benefit.



Or alternatively, SIX COFFEES A WEEK if you buy them at $2 each (KFC for example).

I don't know where you're buying coffees at $6 each, but I guess if you can afford that then $50/month extra for VDSL doesn't seem too much :-)

I know I have never paid $6 for a coffee in my life.

Cheers - N



Hey Neil,

I don't know what the most is I've ever paid for coffee to be honest.  Much more than NZD$6 I suspect.

KFC is kind of an interesting example.  Did you choose that on purpose because of your understanding of how telecommunications pricing works?

Why do you think that the price point is so different?

What do you think in your personal opinion should be done and why?








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  Reply # 587513 27-Feb-2012 19:23
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kyhwana2:
Arachan: Hello,


I had a look at some other ISPs VDSL options, and Snap costs $50 on top of ADSL which seems like a lot... or is that standard for VDSL?

Any ideas?

Thanks,
arachan.


Yep, $50 extra is the standard charge. (Since telecom wholesale/chorus 2/whatever charge extra for it, so ISPs pass it on)



Are the ISPs putting on extra to cover their increased costs?





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  Reply # 587522 27-Feb-2012 19:30
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DonGould:
kyhwana2:

Yep, $50 extra is the standard charge. (Since telecom wholesale/chorus 2/whatever charge extra for it, so ISPs pass it on)


Are the ISPs putting on extra to cover their increased costs?



Hmm, VDSL is unregulated, so TW/Chorus can charge whatever wholesale they want.
Since all the ISPs doing VDSL are charging $50, I assume that's close to what telecom W/C are charging them..


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  Reply # 587529 27-Feb-2012 19:36
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Hey Neil,

I don't know what the most is I've ever paid for coffee to be honest.  Much more than NZD$6 I suspect.

KFC is kind of an interesting example.  Did you choose that on purpose because of your understanding of how telecommunications pricing works?

Why do you think that the price point is so different?

What do you think in your personal opinion should be done and why?


OK then, personal opinion mode well and truly on. Nothing I am about to say necessarily represents the opinion of any known company in the universe - and if I happen to share the same opinion as any company, it's by accident and I didn't know :-)

I chose KFC's Coffee price because McDonalds.co.nz site didn't have an easy to spot price. I fail to understand why an understanding of how telecommunications pricing works would be relevant to pointing out that coffees come at different prices, and that you chose a crazily high value to try and diminish the pricing. I would have let 3 coffees slide... $4/coffee is reasonable as a yardstick.

I don't know exactly why the VDSL pricing is what it is. I do know significant development was done to make it work (anyone that says otherwise is flat out lying or very badly informed). I also know it's not in high demand, and certainly doesn't have any mass market pull, so volumes will be much lower.

I think in my personal opinion that if someone is in a VDSL coverage area and they can justify spending ~$50/month extra to have a bit faster downstream and significantly faster upstream (for the access at least) then they should make the rational decision and upgrade, especially if they are a fair way out from getting UFB at their location.

Personally, I would like VDSL2 - but even as a very heavy user with significant utterly non-infringing use cases (remote backup, photo uploading to my sports photography website primarily) I cannot justify $50/month extra. ADSL2+ works great for me at my location and I can live with starting an upload then leaving it for an hour or 2.

If it was $20 extra for VDSL2 (and of course a new router) I'd be in like a flash... But it's not... It's $50 so I'll wait until Internet use cases arise that make VDSL worth $50 more to me a month than ADSL2+.

Cheers - N




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  Reply # 587570 27-Feb-2012 21:00
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Talkiet:

OK then, personal opinion mode well and truly on. Nothing I am about to say necessarily represents the opinion of any known company in the universe - and if I happen to share the same opinion as any company, it's by accident and I didn't know :-)



Ya, nice that you feel confident enough to just put on your personal views cap and just put some thoughts out there.



Talkiet:  I chose KFC's Coffee price because McDonalds.co.nz site didn't have an easy to spot price. I fail to understand why an understanding of how telecommunications pricing works would be relevant to pointing out that coffees come at different prices, and that you chose a crazily high value to try and diminish the pricing. I would have let 3 coffees slide... $4/coffee is reasonable as a yardstick.




I asked the question because providers such as McD's and KFC price coffee as an addon/loss leader v's a cafe which prices its coffee as the lead.

Telcos have done the same, as well I know you're aware, but others may not have considered.

I suspect I was reading more into your comment that was there though. :)




Talkiet:  I don't know exactly why the VDSL pricing is what it is. I do know significant development was done to make it work (anyone that says otherwise is flat out lying or very badly informed). I also know it's not in high demand, and certainly doesn't have any mass market pull, so volumes will be much lower.


Can you explain why the product cost more to develop?  It's just a different line card and a different modem on the other end.  What's so different that's so expensive?  (For the benefit of readers, I'm not saying Neil is wrong and challenging that, I'm asking him if he'll share so we can get some appreciation)


Talkiet:  I think in my personal opinion that if someone is in a VDSL coverage area and they can justify spending ~$50/month extra to have a bit faster downstream and significantly faster upstream (for the access at least) then they should make the rational decision and upgrade, especially if they are a fair way out from getting UFB at their location.


Agreed.

 
Talkiet:
Personally, I would like VDSL2 - but even as a very heavy user with significant utterly non-infringing use cases (remote backup, photo uploading to my sports photography website primarily) I cannot justify $50/month extra. ADSL2+ works great for me at my location and I can live with starting an upload then leaving it for an hour or 2.



Ya, in most cases my sort of use, I don't like to wait.  A faster speed would translate to a better experience.  When I lick go on a 15mb email I want it to just clear off my screen.  When I run a VC, which I do more and more often, I want top quality video going to my end point.  When I'm throwing some video on YouTube I don't want to have to stuff about compressing it, I just want to throw the camera file at the server and let it sort out life while I move on.



Talkiet:  If it was $20 extra for VDSL2 (and of course a new router) I'd be in like a flash... But it's not... It's $50 so I'll wait until Internet use cases arise that make VDSL worth $50 more to me a month than ADSL2+.



Ya well $20 would be nice.  I can see it causing more uptake than the $50 and $500 connection fee.  However I wonder if Chorus are wanting to manage demand at present and we'll see the price come down as they're ready to connect more people.

Given my day today, I can see why they wouldn't want lots of connections right now.  Here in Christchurch there aren't the staff to get stuff done and I have no idea what the rest of the country is like currently.









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