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Topic # 98718 5-Mar-2012 11:13
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Hi Guys,

Here's the situation:

My parents live in a densely populated "lifestyle block" subdivision, and have been unable to get broadband for the last 12 months whilst on a wait list. They're now connected but a couple of things don't make sense.

First of all: The connection is only connecting using the G.DMT protocol at ADSL1 speeds. According to http://bcc.telecomwholesale.co.nz/ they're probably connected to the newly instigated RBI DSL HNE/AG. However I'm not sure. There is a cabinet at the end of the road (1.5km away) and according to http://fremnet.net/article/216/adsl-theoretical-speed-calculator the line attenuation 20.7db gives a bang on calculation of 1.5km - so I can reasonably guess that they're connected to that.

So here is the question: Are these cabinets only providing ADSL 1 speeds? OR should be be able to get ADSL2? The modem that telecom provided doesn't allow me to change or force to use a different protocol - 2701HGV-W (2-wire).

Should I try a different modem or am I just wasting my time?

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  Reply # 590542 5-Mar-2012 11:47
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What is the Modem?
Is there a setting in the modem to connect at ADSL2? I know that I had to turn it OFF in an old modem of mine that was playing up to get it to connect to anything.

What do they get from a Speedtest? (Most people would be perfectly happy with 6.5Mbps by the way).

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  Reply # 590545 5-Mar-2012 11:49
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I believe that they are just adsl1. Remember: this is rural and for the most part having adsl2 could cause more issues. With me for instance I am 7.5km from the exchange and can get adsl2 but it is slower than adsl1, and the modem chooses it automatically. More than anything I would complain not about not having adsl2 but rather the actual locations of the RBI dsl rollout. You are very lucky to get 7Mbps~, I am lucky to even get 1Mbps.

 
 
 
 




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  Reply # 590570 5-Mar-2012 12:13
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trig42 - Modem is provided by telecom, a 2wire 2701HGV-W. No options to change DSL connection type.

codycc1515 - True, but for probably 90% of those connected to this particular cabinet would greatly benefit from ADSL2 speeds. All in a tight cluster around this cabinet.. It's been servicing DSL in this area for longer than the march 2012 launch date though... Others have been on it for some time.

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  Reply # 590588 5-Mar-2012 12:37
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From this RBI info page, it looks like all the RBI cabinets will be limited to ADSL1 speeds:  http://www.chorus.co.nz/rural-broadband-initiative

I would have thought (without knowing anything about it) they should have but adsl2+ gear in there aswell for the subset of people who live near enough to the cabinet, but I guess the cost per subscriber would be too high(?)

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  Reply # 590591 5-Mar-2012 12:38
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micsco: trig42 - Modem is provided by telecom, a 2wire 2701HGV-W. No options to change DSL connection type.

codycc1515 - True, but for probably 90% of those connected to this particular cabinet would greatly benefit from ADSL2 speeds. All in a tight cluster around this cabinet.. It's been servicing DSL in this area for longer than the march 2012 launch date though... Others have been on it for some time.

Your cabinet is probably the exception.

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  Reply # 590604 5-Mar-2012 12:45
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From Chorus
http://www.chorus.co.nz/rural-broadband-initiative


"About 57% of rural customers will be in reach of fixed-line broadband speeds of at least 5Mbps by the end of 2015"



About half of the customers connected to our new cabinets and exchanges will be in reach of 10Mpbs broadband speeds or greater


From Vodafone:
http://www.vodafone.co.nz/about/rural-broadband-initiative/


97.8% of New Zealand households will receive a minimum peak speed of 5Mbps and many will get more.
98.7% of all New Zealand households will get download speeds of 1Mbps or faster. This is better than the 97% RBI target. The remaining 1.3% will be able to purchase a retail satellite service.





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  Reply # 590615 5-Mar-2012 12:56
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I believe that Chorus is reusing some of the old ADSL1 hardware from exchanges that have been upgraded to 2+.

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  Reply # 590619 5-Mar-2012 13:04
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Behodar: I believe that Chorus is reusing some of the old ADSL1 hardware from exchanges that have been upgraded to 2+.

Thats an excellent idea vs. storing them all up in a warehouse somewhere collecting dust.

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  Reply # 590835 5-Mar-2012 18:32
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couldn't they sell the old hardware to like africa or something? :P





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  Reply # 590849 5-Mar-2012 19:14
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hamish225: couldn't they sell the old hardware to like africa or something? :P


Na people steal the copper. 





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  Reply # 590852 5-Mar-2012 19:26
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Hes not joking either lol

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  Reply # 590934 5-Mar-2012 22:19
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Zeon:
hamish225: couldn't they sell the old hardware to like africa or something? :P


Na people steal the copper. 

and why would they sell it to somewhere else when they can use it here basically for free? 



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  Reply # 590943 5-Mar-2012 22:30
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Well technically don't they lease all the equipment anyway?

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  Reply # 590944 5-Mar-2012 22:35
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micsco: Well technically don't they lease all the equipment anyway?

Don't think so. Not Chorus at least.

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  Reply # 590945 5-Mar-2012 22:37
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Isn;t the problem with all that old ADSL1 equipment is that its ATM not ethernet?





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