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  #2583036 12-Oct-2020 11:25
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+1 AMD. *Super* happy with my R3600 build.

 

Long time since I built a PC and went on a *very* deep dive into specs and reviews. From that, My takeaway is that AMD will generally beat Intel in dollar/performance, other than in single threaded applications (e.g. gaming). Even that gap is closing (and from admittedly very early and AMD-supplied benchmarks, may have closed completely). If you're AMDing, you should be choosing between B550 and X570 motherboards. You might get some forwards compatibility in the earlier B450 range, but for the sake of $100 or so on a $1500+ build you should go with the newer option. You only need X570 if you need the additional PCIE 4 lanes. And if you're not running a high end processor and/or overclocking, you will be fine with most of the more mainstream boards. I wanted a MSI B550 Tomahawk, but ended up with a MSI MPG Gaming Plus because the Tomahawk was out of stock. I don't miss the additional features and the IO panel is probably better laid out anyway. MSI B550 range seems to review really well overall and you're likely safe picking the features and form factor you want from that range. MSI as a company you may want to make a more informed choice on.

 

In addition to GN already mentioned, Hardware Unboxed were my go-to reviewers for motherboards. 




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  #2583052 12-Oct-2020 11:29
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And I don't think there is ever a good time to buy a PC. There is either always something new and improved a bit over the horizon, or cutting edge, just released, premium priced, but the bugs haven't been ironed out yet.

 

I would wait until at least Thanksgiving/Black Friday/Cyber Monday though. With the new 5000 Ryzen stuff being released, you should be able to pick up a reasonable deal on 3000-series. 


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  #2583053 12-Oct-2020 11:33
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Yeah @timmmay, the other way to look at is the view I'm taking..

 

My 3770k was basically the last intel CPU and chipset on DDR3 and it has taken to now (some 8 years later to convince me to move).

 

So with the latest Zen 3, we are at the very end of all the refinement for DDR4, leaving them in the best place performance wise etc.

 

The first gen or two of DDR5,USB4.0 PCIe 5 is going to be

 

A) Very expensive as yields will be low, and first adopter tax etc.

 

B) Will be unreliable in comparison to the end of the line generation.

 

C) If you need/want USB 4.0, you can easily buy a PCIe add-on card easily enough!

 

 





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  #2583054 12-Oct-2020 11:44
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I just read that DDR5 will be available for AMD starting in about a year or so.

 

Upgrading isn't done much any more, so socket changing etc not really a huge deal. So long as you can add RAM / disks that's the main thing.

 

Single threaded performance is still pretty important for user interfaces and less optimized software. The single thread performance has only grown about 50% in the past 8 years, according to this and this benchmark, 3600K to 3700X. In the same time overall CPU performance has grown about 400%.


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  #2583058 12-Oct-2020 11:57
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Indeed which is why this is a generation worthy of upgrade. 

 

I scoped a new build in both 2016 and 2018 and they just didn't make any sense performance wise.

 

Ryzen 5000 as you noted is a massive step from last year, and even bigger when you go back 8 years!

 

Also going from quad to 12/16 cores will be amazing as well as the single core leaps!

 

 





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  #2585855 15-Oct-2020 11:43
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I was surprised to see Computer Lounge list the Asus Crossfire VIII Dark Hero already... and saddened to see the price they are asking: 1,099. Its MSRP is similar to some of the other boards on that page, US$399 or NZD$599. But this one has a NZ$500 markup for some reason? Their markup on the Gigabyte Auros Extreme - a much more expensive board - was only $350. Are local retailers basically allowed to charge whatever markup per board?


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  #2598663 6-Nov-2020 06:00
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Benchmarks are out.

Intel is officially screwed. There is literally no reason to buy their CPUs anymore.

 
 
 

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  #2598668 6-Nov-2020 06:56
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Handle9: Benchmarks are out.

Intel is officially screwed. There is literally no reason to buy their CPUs anymore.


Can you link to those benchmarks?

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  #2598669 6-Nov-2020 06:57
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timmmay:
Handle9: Benchmarks are out.

Intel is officially screwed. There is literally no reason to buy their CPUs anymore.


Can you link to those benchmarks?


There are any number on YouTube

LTT, Jayz2cents, Gamers Nexus etc

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  #2598690 6-Nov-2020 07:49
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The idea was to save everyone having to search. Hot Hardware has a review, conclusion is they're fast and good value for money.

 

I'll likely be building a Ryzen based system when I get around to it. I've built all my own PCs, but if PBTech have all the parts for a reasonable price I want I might get them to do it. Probably time to replace the 10 year old case, PSU, etc with all new.


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  #2598789 6-Nov-2020 11:04
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Always enjoy reading Dr Ian Cutress from anandtech review of all the processors.

 

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16214/amd-zen-3-ryzen-deep-dive-review-5950x-5900x-5800x-and-5700x-tested

 

 


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  #2599024 6-Nov-2020 14:39
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Do the Zen3 / Ryzen 5000 CPUs have even a basic GPU built in? I think the 3000 series had some models that did.

 

Just about any CPU is fast enough now, AMD or Intel, Intel might end up cheaper for people who want moderate performance and have no need for a dedicated GPU. I've been using the GPU built into my i7-2600K for years, it works fine for what I do, including occasional video work. It might render faster with a GPU, but that doesn't bother me.


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  #2599044 6-Nov-2020 14:43
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timmmay:

 

Do the Zen3 / Ryzen 5000 CPUs have even a basic GPU built in? I think the 3000 series had some models that did.

 

 

The Ryzen 5000 chips released today do not have a GPU, although its expected AMD will eventually updated their APU range with Zen 3. The latest AMD chips with a GPU are the 4000 series, but these are hard to source for desktops, and use the older Zen 2 architecture.


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  #2599064 6-Nov-2020 15:19
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So no 5700x to replace my 3700x? That's not wonderful. I have to stump up a serious lump of cash to get to a 5800x!

 

Anyone here using Ryzen as a Virtualization Lab?  I am wondering about replacing an aging i5, with 16GB with something with 32GB and a much much lower power consumption and physically smaller than the Mid ATX I have now. 

 

 

 

 


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  #2599095 6-Nov-2020 15:26
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networkn:

 

So no 5700x to replace my 3700x? That's not wonderful. I have to stump up a serious lump of cash to get to a 5800x!

 

Anyone here using Ryzen as a Virtualization Lab?  I am wondering about replacing an aging i5, with 16GB with something with 32GB and a much much lower power consumption and physically smaller than the Mid ATX I have now. 

 

 

More chips planned for the new year, probably at more competitive price points to combat Intel's Rocket Lake chip due end of Q1.


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