Chrome crashing - what to try next?

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K8Toledo

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#3323901 23-Dec-2024 22:09

Jase2985:

K8Toledo:

It's also a standalone and runs on W10. Not used it myself but will check it out,.

Compatible with Windows 10, is an add on app

That's what a standalone is.

"Runs on", means the same as "compatible with" - it doesn't imply preinstalled, which is what you're thinking of while attempting to split hairs.

As I said, it runs on Windows 10, and download from anywhere.

K8Toledo

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#3323906 23-Dec-2024 22:29

Oblivian: Keep in mind the latest version, while patching some CVEs are actively advising you to start sending the manifest 2 plugins out the door starting Dec19

It may be that you had one and it couldn't advise or control. So was crashing

Good reason to go Firefox, which still supports UBlock. :)

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#3324108 24-Dec-2024 09:25

3rd party apps to clean the PC simply aren't required anymore. Use the built in tools in Windows.

Just like uninstalling the app with the built in App Reset option resolved this issue, maintaining the OS is also fully supported without downloading 3rd party apps that only use space and resources for no benefit, and potentially add risk.

Just read up about the built in options rather than searching for 3rd party options. Or poke around in the Settings and Windows Tools to see what's available.

I really don't know why anyone wouldn't start there and then work up to 3rd party apps if they don't get the result they want, vs starting at the other end and potentially making things more complicated, then trying to work back to native.

K8Toledo

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#3324203 24-Dec-2024 14:37

gehenna: 3rd party apps to clean the PC simply aren't required anymore. Use the built in tools in Windows.

Just like uninstalling the app with the built in App Reset option resolved this issue, maintaining the OS is also fully supported without downloading 3rd party apps that only use space and resources for no benefit, and potentially add risk.

Just read up about the built in options rather than searching for 3rd party options. Or poke around in the Settings and Windows Tools to see what's available.

I really don't know why anyone wouldn't start there and then work up to 3rd party apps if they don't get the result they want, vs starting at the other end and potentially making things more complicated, then trying to work back to native.

I disagree. And the OP is trying to stop Chrome crashing, not uninstall it. I would have looked at Chrome crash dumps tbh.

MS apps don't hold a candle to 3rd party apps, for one Microsoft apps tend to be severely limited in functionality vs 3rd party software, and will not allow the end user to do anything Microsoft don't want them to do. Like uninstalling MS Edge - which is not possible with add/remove programs. Only a 3rd party uninstaller like Revo can.

Another example would be Windows Disk Management, vs 3rd party Partition Managers, and cloning software like Macrium. Web Browsers, take MS Edge, which nobody uses vs Chrome/Firefox. Media Players, Diagnostic Tools - Microsoft Dart is useless, MS tools for creating bootable OS installs are useless compared with the likes of Rufus.

I mean the list goes on

K8Toledo

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#3324223 24-Dec-2024 14:51

Here's one example of 3rd party uninstallers excelling over Windows built in uninstaller - .msi apps.

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#3324236 24-Dec-2024 15:29

Hate to break it. But that's most likely just a play on the MS tool they built to also help scan the windowsinstaller folder for GUIDs and re-associate and clean them up. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/fix-problems-that-block-programs-from-being-installed-or-removed-cca7d1b6-65a9-3d98-426b-e9f927e1eb4d

(Which a lot of the time is just manually looking for the string from KEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall or getting the GUID from the tree and executing)

They all hinge on the original packager and way windows installer works. Which is unpack and put MSIs into a cache (C:\windows\installer) for patching or later modification. Add a registry string. If that registry goes bad, the installer is likely still present. That's a windows/Microsoft thing that all those other apps are just aware of.

K8Toledo

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#3324284 24-Dec-2024 20:31

Oblivian:

Hate to break it. But that's most likely just a play on the MS tool they built to also help scan the windowsinstaller folder for GUIDs and re-associate and clean them up. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/fix-problems-that-block-programs-from-being-installed-or-removed-cca7d1b6-65a9-3d98-426b-e9f927e1eb4d

(Which a lot of the time is just manually looking for the string from KEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall or getting the GUID from the tree and executing)

They all hinge on the original packager and way windows installer works. Which is unpack and put MSIs into a cache (C:\windows\installer) for patching or later modification. Add a registry string. If that registry goes bad, the installer is likely still present. That's a windows/Microsoft thing that all those other apps are just aware of.

Well, I hate to break it, but you missed what I said. I've worked as a Field Engineer since 2006, so am somewhat familiar with OS internals, thanks.

You linked to an MS support tool used for uninstalling corrupt .MSI install packages when the OS built in uninstaller cannot. That's no different than linking to third party uninstall software.

In my last post I demonstrated Windows uninstaller will not remove .MSI installations when the directory can't be found. Revo will, and is just one example of why Revo is better in every way.

Also Revo gives the user more control.

In the screenshots I've pointed Revo the .MSI program I wish to remove, but not yet executed. I've also pointed Windows uninstaller to the same program.

In contrast to Revo, the OS uninstaller flatly refuses to touch the corrupt .MSI package.

Revo includes AutoRuns for windows services and removes browser extensions. It's much faster for removing multiple packages I find.

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#3324302 24-Dec-2024 23:01

K8Toledo:

Well, I hate to break it, but you missed what I said. I've worked as a Field Engineer since 2006, so am somewhat familiar with OS internals, thanks.

And I longer. Does it mean a lot? Not in reality given the decades. But can sure mean improvements in the OS tools given the model is now Software As A Service and in the interest to do so.

Which is what the others appear to be hinting at here.

One I linked is not "the same as from a 3rd party". It IS the same party that bring you... Windows Installer framework. And it's previous life of included as Windows Troubleshooter. Can't speak for your case (however the install dates appear different which suggest duplicate removal registry entries/GUID like Google Earth has broken with previously) And has assisted helping pinpoint similar flaws with the same MSI missing errors when an entire Configmanager cache was removed and Uninstall registry had the wrong references.

Anyway. This has been railroaded enough.

Rule of thumb has been made clear to the OP. Apps can/will now store user data separate from installers. And more recently as a 'package' at profile level and not always machine.

In Chromes case it side-by-side loads core application and updater files in program files. (Which also allows for live pending restart updating) While your extensions, settings, files, customisations etc. sit in your appdata profile to help with restore and sync. So at low level, if profiles/extensions break. Chrome can too.

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#3324395 25-Dec-2024 13:53

The problem was resolved faster than the time taken to argue the semantics of how the problem was resolved.

Simple solutions are better solutions.

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