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#2599111 6-Nov-2020 15:48

Do any of these have onboard graphics? I was looking at using AMD chips going forward but the only one that seems to be available with onboard graphics is only 4 core (Ryzen 5 3400G). We have been using minimum 6 core Intel with onboard graphics e.g. i5-9600.

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#2599161 6-Nov-2020 16:30

Zeon:
Do any of these have onboard graphics? I was looking at using AMD chips going forward but the only one that seems to be available with onboard graphics is only 4 core (Ryzen 5 3400G). We have been using minimum 6 core Intel with onboard graphics e.g. i5-9600.

See PANICnz's post above, but no, they don't.

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#2599165 6-Nov-2020 16:38

AMD only has APUs on the X400 and below. Ryzen 5300, 5100 etc aren't released yet.

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#2599173 6-Nov-2020 16:46

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So no 5700x to replace my 3700x? That's not wonderful. I have to stump up a serious lump of cash to get to a 5800x!

Anyone here using Ryzen as a Virtualization Lab? I am wondering about replacing an aging i5, with 16GB with something with 32GB and a much much lower power consumption and physically smaller than the Mid ATX I have now.

There will be one, they haven't annouced the full range, just a selection so far.

There have been some leaks about the 5700X.

I was using my 2600 machine as an Unraid running dockers and VMs. Worked like a charm, I can only imagine the newer ones will be even better.

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#2599194 6-Nov-2020 17:22

Zeon:

Do any of these have onboard graphics? I was looking at using AMD chips going forward but the only one that seems to be available with onboard graphics is only 4 core (Ryzen 5 3400G). We have been using minimum 6 core Intel with onboard graphics e.g. i5-9600.

AMD's previous generation has 6 and 8 core APU's with integrated graphics. Only problem is they're hard to source, they're only officially sold through PC builders and not retail, but can be picked up off eBay etc. They're meant to come to retail eventually...

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#2599411 7-Nov-2020 09:26

Wow-wah-wee-wah, might be time to retire the old devil's canyon.

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#2599418 7-Nov-2020 10:11

Tempted to get a 5600x or 5800x but I kinda want to wait and see if they do a Zen3+ and introduce a 5700x.

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#2599426 7-Nov-2020 10:45

Zepanda66:

Tempted to get a 5600x or 5800x but I kinda want to wait and see if they do a Zen3+ and introduce a 5700x.

There's no rumors' of a Zen3+, 5700x and 5600 etc. are expected in the new year, and will be the same Zen3 architecture. AMD is making hay while the sun shines. They have a clear advantage over Intel now in most metrics and Intel has no answer till Rocket Lake end of Q1. AMD are cashing in on this advantage with high-end SKU's this side of Xmas.

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#2599446 7-Nov-2020 11:43

I am looking at putting together a Zen3 PC, but with the Intel CPUs having an adequate GPU built in they are probably cheaper and performance is sufficient. Heck my i7 2600k with built-in GPU is still plenty fast enough for me, I'm only upgrading because things like ports are starting to fail. Any thoughts?

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#2599455 7-Nov-2020 12:04

timmmay: I am looking at putting together a Zen3 PC, but with the Intel CPUs having an adequate GPU built in they are probably cheaper and performance is sufficient. Heck my i7 2600k with built-in GPU is still plenty fast enough for me, I'm only upgrading because things like ports are starting to fail. Any thoughts?

What do you use your pc for? If time is money and performance matters go AMD 5000 series, (even the 3000 series beat intel in basically any multi thread heavy application)

If not go with a non K intel CPU (make sure its not the f series ie 10400f as that has no GPU).

If you need a cheap graphics card the rx550 or 1030 would do fine.

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#2599471 7-Nov-2020 13:32

@Dreamerz (and others) I use it for the usual web / email, a bit of very light development work that's not CPU intensive, a little bit of home video editing / rendering about twice a year, so nothing heavy. No gaming at all. The current i7 2600K with built in GPU works just fine, it's plenty fast enough. I just want a quiet, reliable PC.

Here's a quick comparison of systems, without being too picky about parts (I'll look at that later). Ryzen 5600X build $2200 ($2080 without the extra cooler, they supply an average cooler with that CPU), Intel i5-10500 build $1650. The intel is cheaper as no GPU, no cooler, and the CPU is just cheaper, I've tried to make all the other components the same. I don't mind paying $500 more if there's a good reason, especially given PCs last me 5-8 years.

CPU Benchmarks Ryzen ( 3330 single core, 22300 all cores ), Intel (2758 single core, 1300 all cores). Clearly the Ryzen is faster, but compared with the current i7 2600K (1700 single core, 5000 all cores) both will be plenty fast enough.

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#2599475 7-Nov-2020 13:55

timmmay:

@Dreamerz (and others) I use it for the usual web / email, a bit of very light development work that's not CPU intensive, a little bit of home video editing / rendering about twice a year, so nothing heavy. No gaming at all. The current i7 2600K with built in GPU works just fine, it's plenty fast enough. I just want a quiet, reliable PC.

Here's a quick comparison of systems, without being too picky about parts (I'll look at that later). Ryzen 5600X build $2200 ($2080 without the extra cooler, they supply an average cooler with that CPU), Intel i5-10500 build $1650. The intel is cheaper as no GPU, no cooler, and the CPU is just cheaper, I've tried to make all the other components the same. I don't mind paying $500 more if there's a good reason, especially given PCs last me 5-8 years.

CPU Benchmarks Ryzen ( 3330 single core, 22300 all cores ), Intel (2758 single core, 1300 all cores). Clearly the Ryzen is faster, but compared with the current i7 2600K (1700 single core, 5000 all cores) both will be plenty fast enough.

Have a look at the prebuilt systems at PBTech with the Ryzen 4000 series e.g. Ryzen 5 Pro 4650G. Its a six core chip with builtin Vega 7 graphics. Based on Zen2 so still pretty speedy.

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#2599478 7-Nov-2020 14:02

timmmay:

@Dreamerz (and others) I use it for the usual web / email, a bit of very light development work that's not CPU intensive, a little bit of home video editing / rendering about twice a year, so nothing heavy. No gaming at all. The current i7 2600K with built in GPU works just fine, it's plenty fast enough. I just want a quiet, reliable PC.

Here's a quick comparison of systems, without being too picky about parts (I'll look at that later). Ryzen 5600X build $2200 ($2080 without the extra cooler, they supply an average cooler with that CPU), Intel i5-10500 build $1650. The intel is cheaper as no GPU, no cooler, and the CPU is just cheaper, I've tried to make all the other components the same. I don't mind paying $500 more if there's a good reason, especially given PCs last me 5-8 years.

CPU Benchmarks Ryzen ( 3330 single core, 22300 all cores ), Intel (2758 single core, 1300 all cores). Clearly the Ryzen is faster, but compared with the current i7 2600K (1700 single core, 5000 all cores) both will be plenty fast enough.

CPU reliability is not generally an issue

Both stock coolers will perform similarly, you get PCI-E gen 4 with the AMD system if you can ever see yourself using a high speed addin card for anything.

If you do end up going the AMD way replace that 1050ti with this alternatively (depending on video output needs) to save money go with this

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#2599479 7-Nov-2020 14:07

PANiCnz:

timmmay:

@Dreamerz (and others) I use it for the usual web / email, a bit of very light development work that's not CPU intensive, a little bit of home video editing / rendering about twice a year, so nothing heavy. No gaming at all. The current i7 2600K with built in GPU works just fine, it's plenty fast enough. I just want a quiet, reliable PC.

Here's a quick comparison of systems, without being too picky about parts (I'll look at that later). Ryzen 5600X build $2200 ($2080 without the extra cooler, they supply an average cooler with that CPU), Intel i5-10500 build $1650. The intel is cheaper as no GPU, no cooler, and the CPU is just cheaper, I've tried to make all the other components the same. I don't mind paying $500 more if there's a good reason, especially given PCs last me 5-8 years.

CPU Benchmarks Ryzen ( 3330 single core, 22300 all cores ), Intel (2758 single core, 1300 all cores). Clearly the Ryzen is faster, but compared with the current i7 2600K (1700 single core, 5000 all cores) both will be plenty fast enough.

Have a look at the prebuilt systems at PBTech with the Ryzen 4000 series e.g. Ryzen 5 Pro 4650G. Its a six core chip with builtin Vega 7 graphics. Based on Zen2 so still pretty speedy.

Good point that seems good value

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/WKSPB5350/PB-Executive-Series-5350-Desktop-PC-AMD-Ryzen-5-Pr

CPU Benchmark 4650g

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+5+PRO+4650G&id=3795

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#2599526 7-Nov-2020 14:38

4650G isn't available from PBTech, I think maybe it can only be sold with full systems. 3400G is quite a bit lower performance, still more than current PC. Even the 3200G is faster than my current CPU at about $200, which drops the price to about the same as Intel. If I buy a motherboard that supports Zen3 I could wait 6-12 months then get a Zen3 that has a GPU built in.

Or I could just buy the Intel. I will never do anything that requires a high speed add-in card, the only expansion I might do is more USB ports or SATA ports.

I noticed that many motherboards say they have (for example) "Two USB 3.2 Gen 1 Headers". Surely that doesn't mean they have two USB ports? Does a header supply multiple USB ports?

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