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#2855007 23-Jan-2022 00:34

michaelmurfy:

I highly doubt they'll be offering things like DKIM and DMARC and instead you're paying for very basic IMAP email which is a huge step back from what Google offer.

protonmail does.

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#2855008 23-Jan-2022 01:24

nztim: ... * SharePoint, * Teams ...

You can like that all you want. Thankfully there is diversity & I am able to like something else. 🙃

michaelmurfy: ... Some of the options posted here are outright dodgy - I highly doubt they'll be offering things like DKIM and DMARC and instead you're paying for very basic IMAP email which is a huge step back from what Google offer. Also as you know Google have incredible search

Please specify what options are dodgy?
1. MailCow.email wasn't mentioned yet & you host your own mail server. They don't seem dodgy
2. Migadu seem reliable enough, their support is similar to Metaname: responses within 24 hrs, problems resolved within 2 emails
3. 25Mail.st have been around since 2002
4. Don't see how you can call Protonmail dodgy
5. I haven't seen you complain about Fastmail & Mailbox.org before.
6. I recall you had complaints about 1stDomains though?
7. Got a link from you for the Zoho free tier email a while ago, so I doubt you'd call them dodgy?
8. That leaves Cloudflare & Amazon Workmail. Both are multinational mega corps, unlikely to disappear. Maybe their business practices are dodgy
9. Most recommendations are for Microsoft Office 365. Are they the dodgy ones?
DKIM & DMARK are configured via DNS. Why mention them here?
You do know that Google fudged IMAP for Gmail back in the day?
Agreed, Google have incredible search

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#2855014 23-Jan-2022 06:24

freitasm: You are talking aliases, not mailboxes.

ah i see, he wants to not see other mails

i can suggest icloud

for $1.99/m you can get family sharing for 6 icloud mailboxes for a total of 50GB storage, each can have 3 custom domains (i think), so 18 domains

only issue is there is no app for android (well you can imap whatever app you want but it won't be able to send mail using custom domain), i think there is an app for windows? but perfect if you use iphone + mac, fully integrated

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#2855031 23-Jan-2022 09:24

Has anyone had any success with getting DKIM working on office family with the custom domains. I have got email working using the GD workarounds and my current host provider which are not to tricky - but I'm turning up blanks on getting DKIM setup (I suspect this is something only offered to Office Business via the defender/security suite ?).

I should add I've never had DKIM setup with G.Suite previously but seems like best practice these days...

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#2855053 23-Jan-2022 10:17

Just to clarify @ANglEAUT DKIM is declared on DNS but the keys are generated by your server and every email must be signed with a private key so the server must very much be DKIM ready or it will simply fail.

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#2855191 23-Jan-2022 14:50

After you upgrade to the new account type it's free until July.

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#2855196 23-Jan-2022 14:59

Class action lawsuit for lack of store account migration path considered:

https://www.androidpolice.com/google-gsuite-free-legacy-class-action-investigation/

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#2855201 23-Jan-2022 15:10

My main annoyance - I have a couple of generations Pixel device free lifetime photo and video storage associated with an apps account. Exporting that and importing that to a standard Gmail account will mean I'm suddenly paying for that storage. Tba it's more the annoyance of having to do it at all than having to pay for it.

Really really wish there was a simple supported migration path to get through this.

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#2855305 24-Jan-2022 01:38

ANglEAUT: Please specify what options are dodgy?

Sorry, Dodgy potentially wasn't the best word for it. I mean many of these providers are basic with Postfix / Roundcube / IMAP so you're taking 20 steps back in terms of functionality. It's almost the most basic you can go (there are other webmail clients like Squirrel Mail a bit more basic, but you get my point). With these services you don't really get push email or anything like that so depending on what your requirements are you may be going with a provider who may cause headaches down the line with emails you sent getting sent to spam especially if you email the larger providers. Many of these providers also provide no ability to set up DKIM which can cause further email delivery issues especially if that providers mail servers also get blacklisted. It isn't worth going to the absolute bottom of the barrel with email in terms of cost if email reliability is important to you.

So don't take it the wrong way but you're better to stick with the larger players if email is important (which to many, it is) instead of going with companies where email isn't their primary focus as we've seen time and time again sometimes it can be slow to get their servers removed off a blacklist. I do like migadu do literally state to expect downtime (and I do hold huge respect to them here) but that is basically the problem with email - if you're not one of the large providers then you can essentially expect problems all thanks to abuse over the years. I also have 3 SMTP servers myself but they've been added to blocklists in the past, had issues delivering emails to Microsoft/Outlook domains etc despite all email being authenticated with DKIM and passing DMARC / SPF and not passing public emails like the responsible sysop I am.

My statement of don't panic, just wait still stands as I am yet to see an email from Google on what the "deep discount" is and suspect there is going to be class action lawsuits over this.

I am also affected by this and have looked into options. My problem? The fact I have Google services I'll lose, Google Play purchases I'll lose etc by switching. I am being forced to pay Google when this happens to keep my services.

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#2855306 24-Jan-2022 06:33

I have a family domain and Google accounts set up with app/other access linked to them. Kind of staggered there's no option to just turn off the productivity features outside of Chat and maintain a free/nominal charge offering. Like even without the bait-and-switch, the pricing structure is pretty crappy.

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#2855309 24-Jan-2022 07:24

Agree that it’s prudent to wait to see how this plays out over the next couple of months.

When I progressed with testing signing up for the paid service the USD6 per month charge was half price for the first 12 months, so I wouldn’t be surprised if this is what they are offering as the discount.

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#2855345 24-Jan-2022 10:25

Migrated my email off G Suite years ago but still have a lot of baggage there e.g. files in the Drive (currently a mess with some in my Gmail drive and some in my G Suite drive). Have been telling myself for years that I need to sort all that out. I guess this has given me a deadline for the migration of all the rest off Google (except for shared docs etc which I will consolidate into my Gmail drive).

I think I still have some videos on my G Suite YouTube account so hopefully I can just download the MP4 and store it somewhere else.

Luckily my Android phone is linked to my @gmail.com account so shouldn't be a problem.

I migrated to Fastmail for Email, Contacts and Calendar several years back and I am very happy to endorse them. They provide everything Google Email/Contacts/Calendar does, and in many cases better (especially on iOS where Fastmail provision of standards-based service dovetails really well with Apple's excellent native standards-compliant apps). On iOS you can download a configuration file that configures everything automatically on your iOS device so you can easily get up and running using Fastmail with Apple native apps (e.g. Mail, Contacts, Calendar) and take advantage of e.g. Apple Maps suggesting directions to your next appointment in your Fastmail calendar and stuff like that. Alternatively, they have a excellent iOS/Android app which I recommend on Android due to the poor quality of Android native apps (which seem deliberately designed to only work well with Google services). A third option is taking advantage of their standards-compliant IMAP/SMTP/etc service so you can pretty much use any standards-compliant apps and everything works as expected. Webmail is their own very polished and well-done homegrown system (which I must emphasise has nothing to do with Squirrelmail, Roundcube, etc as some here have suggested) which is IMHO better than my work Gmail and O365. Their Webmail is so good I don't bother with a app (e.g. Thunderbird etc) on my laptop -- I just keep a tab open in Firefox for Fastmail. Their webmail interface is the same as what they have in their app which may be a plus for those wanting the same UI on mobile and desktop. Push notifications works as expected on both iOS (using native apps or via the Fastmail app) and Android (via Fastmail app though I have not really tried other apps). Contacts sync is first class on iOS (due to native support for the appropriate standards) although a bit fiddly on Android (need an paid app to provide support for the open standard for contact sync which Google/Android does not support out of the box). iOS supports native sync for Calendar (basically just CalDAV) while on Android it's also fiddly to use native apps (due to Google not supporting the relevant open standards correctly etc) so I just use the Fastmail app for Calendar. My mother is on iOS and her use of Fastmail for Email/Contacts/Calendar using Apple native apps has not triggered any support calls to me--that's how well it works which makes it worth the annual fee for Fastmail. I use Fastmail on Android and it was easy enough to follow their instructions to set up Contact sync (so Phone/SMS/Signal/Telegram/etc looks up phone numbers from my Fastmail contacts -- and I can also use Android Contacts app to manage my contacts then which syncs any changes back to Fastmail). On Android I use their Fastmail app for everything else (Email and Calendar mostly).

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#2855879 24-Jan-2022 22:21

This is the best opportunity to move away from Bigtech. However, you have to be prepared not to grab every sausage that is thrown at you, to get off your butt, to put up with initial discomfort and to learn something new. Especially if you are a ‚private‘ user paying with your data for former ‚free‘ services. Furthermore, I highly doubt that everyone encrypts their data before uploading it to the cloud. Think about it.

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#2856419 26-Jan-2022 07:40

...and there-in lies the problem. Not everyone using GSuite to manage a family domain is an IT professional. I don't think it's a case of 'pull up your bootstraps' or whatever you want to to think it is when a number of services linked to these accounts sound like they'll be effected if you move away from Google. It's not really that helpful tbh.

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#2856518 26-Jan-2022 11:10

GV27:

...and there-in lies the problem. Not everyone using GSuite to manage a family domain is an IT professional. I don't think it's a case of 'pull up your bootstraps' or whatever you want to to think it is when a number of services linked to these accounts sound like they'll be effected if you move away from Google. It's not really that helpful tbh.

There are plenty of replacement solutions (NAS) from Synology, QNAP and others with easy guidance … you don‘t need to be an IT pro to follow the steps lead by wizards and tutorials. For the beginning these are supported by the vendor’s cloud (for security reasons) but when you become more and more familiar, you can remove that link to have a pure ‚on premise’ solution. But again, you need to start.

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