Building gaming computer near $4k, advice needed please

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Twalknz72

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#296337 9-Jun-2022 15:05

My oldest is currently gaming on a laptop that is OK but would like to upgrade to something on par with his brothers if not better. I know enough to get me into trouble, but not out, when it comes to computer builds. So here's what his brother has

The Kingston A2000 500GB has been replaced by a Samsung 970 EVO Plus 2TB M.2 (2280),NVMe SSD R/W(Max) 3,500MB/s/3,300MB/s, 500K/480K IOPS

So really could use some input here. Not worried if it comes assembled or not.

Thank you in advance 😊

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#2924365 9-Jun-2022 16:20

First decide if you going to target AAA 4k gaming High Quailty or AAA 1440p High Quailty. This decides the parts picked and price the most.

Then have a look at NZ part picker.

https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/guide/

Maybe look at some of the completed builds on there for some ideas or pick one from the guide page. You said you wanted something on par or better with what shown. Those Great AMD/Intel gaming builds in the guide page meets that spec.

DDR5 Ram is currently very overpriced at the moment so maybe look at DDR4 Builds.

Also checkout windows keys on Trademe and use them straight away. I bought a key for 40$ from a 100% seller working just fine.

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#2924371 9-Jun-2022 16:39

Gonna want more than a 600w power supply with the 30 series cards

https://www.computerlounge.co.nz/gaming/benchmark-series

go there pick your platform, customise bits you need to like SSD Space etc done. then add a monitor and away you go.

I would much rather higher FPS at 1440p than lower FPS at 4k

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#2924396 9-Jun-2022 17:17

Suggest you review this list: http://pyronic.al/

NZ pricing and recommendations per price point (Noting it doesn't include a monitor, keyboard mouse etc).

Not sure 28" UHD is good value fit either, seems to small for UHD (27" is the right size for 1440p)

Do note there are new CPU (AMD) coming out soon, and new GPU (Nvidia 4000 series).

You may be able to get something suitable second hand as people start to sell for the new gear, but be aware all the current AMD and Nvidia CPU and GPU are basically 24 months old and this point.

CPU: AMD 5900x | RAM: GSKILL Trident Z Neo RGB F4-3600C16D-32GTZNC-32-GB | MB: Asus X570-E | GFX: EVGA FTW3 Ultra RTX 3080Ti| Monitor: LG 27GL850-B 2560x1440

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#2924399 9-Jun-2022 17:27

Personally, instead of the 10700K cpu I would be looking for a newer 12700K cpu for a similar price. This is a different socket though.

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#2924435 9-Jun-2022 19:10

People are missing the part where the list posted is what his brother has, not what they are looking at getting for the son now

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#2924437 9-Jun-2022 19:30

Jase2985:

People are missing the part where the list posted is what his brother has, not what they are looking at getting for the son now

Yep, guilty of that I must admit.

Twalknz72

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#2924439 9-Jun-2022 19:39

cruxis:
First decide if you going to target AAA 4k gaming High Quailty or AAA 1440p High Quailty. This decides the parts picked and price the most.

Then have a look at NZ part picker.

https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/guide/

Maybe look at some of the completed builds on there for some ideas or pick one from the guide page. You said you wanted something on par or better with what shown. Those Great AMD/Intel gaming builds in the guide page meets that spec.

DDR5 Ram is currently very overpriced at the moment so maybe look at DDR4 Builds.

Also checkout windows keys on Trademe and use them straight away. I bought a key for 40$ from a 100% seller working just fine.

Sorry when I said I knew enough to get me into trouble I may have overstated because I have no idea what "AAA 4K gaming High Quality or AAA 1440 High quality" is.

So the boys play games like Ark, RimWorld, Assassin's Creed, oxygen not included, satisfactory. I did a lot of study and had help tweaking a stock computer but I struggle with trying to understand it all.

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#2924448 9-Jun-2022 20:20

For 4k you could get something like this: https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/list/Lbr4gb

But it somewhat overkill for the games they play and is much better than the other brother's computer. You could downgrade the CPU to a i5-12400F and the video card to a RX 6700XT and it would still be very good and would save $1000 or so

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#2924454 9-Jun-2022 21:04

Tzoi:
For 4k you could get something like this: https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/list/Lbr4gb

But it somewhat overkill for the games they play and is much better than the other brother's computer. You could downgrade the CPU to a i5-12400F and the video card to a RX 6700XT and it would still be very good and would save $1000 or so

So when I bought the other computer I educated myself enough to know that the 2060 graphics card was a going to be a good solid card, reasonably priced with pretty good future proofing. I studied enough to understand the same was true for the i7 chip. What I am completely ignorant about is when it comes to AMD or Ryzen. I've also seen CL 16 or CL 18 ram? I know what DDR 4 is and it would make sense DDR5 is just the next step up but it's like I learned enough to get me by and now, about 12 months later, it's a completely new language 😳 that's why I'm asking all y'all. This is not something that comes naturally to me but I do try to understand the basics 🥴

So how does the i5-12400F compare to the i7 chip in his brothers computer? I have to admit to being completely lost in reference to the video card RX 6700X.

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#2924457 9-Jun-2022 21:14

https://www.computerlounge.co.nz/gaming/benchmark-series#488

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#2924458 9-Jun-2022 21:20

I have looked at a lot of pre builds but admit to 1 getting a headache trying to understand abd make the best decision and finding a system with enough storage as most seem to run up to a 1 TB m.2 HD at most where I'm looking for at least 2TB M.2 with an additional 1TB SSD but a second M.2 slot on the motherboard for possible future upgrade. As I said I know enough to get me in a wee bit of trouble but not enough to get me out 🥴

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#2924460 9-Jun-2022 21:22

Twalknz72:

So when I bought the other computer I educated myself enough to know that the 2060 graphics card was a going to be a good solid card, reasonably priced with pretty good future proofing. I studied enough to understand the same was true for the i7 chip. What I am completely ignorant about is when it comes to AMD or Ryzen. I've also seen CL 16 or CL 18 ram? I know what DDR 4 is and it would make sense DDR5 is just the next step up but it's like I learned enough to get me by and now, about 12 months later, it's a completely new language 😳 that's why I'm asking all y'all. This is not something that comes naturally to me but I do try to understand the basics 🥴

Ryzen is basically just an AMD marketing label (like Pentium or Xeon or even i7 are Intel branding). AMD processors weren't really competitive with Intel for a long time, now they very much are.

With the RAM, CL refers to the CAS Latency and which you can basically ignore unless you have some very specific needs (such as planning on overclocking the crap out of a PC)

DDR5 is indeed the next generation of RAM, as mentioned there's definitely still a price premium on it, but it's also future proofing.

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#2924461 9-Jun-2022 21:24

Twalknz72: I have looked at a lot of pre builds but admit to 1 getting a headache trying to understand abd make the best decision and finding a system with enough storage as most seem to run up to a 1 TB m.2 HD at most where I'm looking for at least 2TB M.2 with an additional 1TB SSD but a second M.2 slot on the motherboard for possible future upgrade. As I said I know enough to get me in a wee bit of trouble but not enough to get me out 🥴

Most places will let you have some customization on a prebuild. Computer Lounge are pretty good, recommend having a chat with them.

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#2924462 9-Jun-2022 21:29

I'm happy to get something that's going to suit now but won't need any MAJOR updates like graphics card, CPU or motherboard, in the next 2 years. As you saw I've learnt my lesson about storage and wouldn't waist my money on a HD under 1TB but prefer 2 TB M.2. Actually 4 TB M.2 would be ideal but when I bought the Evo they were way to much.

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