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tweake

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#299062 7-Aug-2022 14:46

Well the old video card died the other day, so i'm on the onboard video and looking at putting a new pc together.

I'm horribly out of date these days so do you have any advice on components?

Currently looking at i9 cpu (heatsink?), z690 chipset, ddr5 ram (no idea how much), M2 SSD (fastest possible and small size) maybe win11, and need a case with dvd/cd bays and front usb.

I will keep to onboard video as i don't do the latest games anymore. if it blows i'll add a card.

I think i will keep the current pc and setup linux on it.

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#2951724 7-Aug-2022 17:01

Is there a particular reason you are looking at the i9? There is a very high price penalty for the extra performance at that level, and for the vast majority of even relatively heavy users an i5 or an i7 will suffice. Given you mention older gaming I'm wondering if that based on the passmark Single Thread chart? The i9's are at the top but it's a hell of a price premium for an i9 over say an i5-12600k or an 17-2700k for the tiniest bit of extra oomph.

At any rate, your best bet is to give us a budget, and as much information about what you want to do with it (if anything) other than some light gaming and sit back as people recommend things :-)

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#2951739 7-Aug-2022 17:36

I'm looking at trying to keep to higher end cpu performance. Previously i compromised on cpu for a better video card. I had a i5 before and upgraded to an i7 a while back and found a decent amount of improvement. So this time i'm more focused on the cpu performance and not so much on the video. But happy to look at the difference, maybe an i7 now and i9 later when they drop in price or 2nd hand. But then again i think i9 has better built in gpu.

applications is nothing major, but as per usual the increase in hardware performance is taken away by the software.

Budget is flexible.

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#2951743 7-Aug-2022 17:49

I just looked up the invoices, this pc is 9 years old. I haven't built a pc in 9 years, boy i'm slipping. Well and truly lost my geek status.

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#2951794 7-Aug-2022 18:12

why do you want an I9 if you have are running no video card? for a lot of things the GPU can do the heavy lifting now days.

When you say flexible, what you have listed so far will set you back about 2k and that's just for the CPU, Motherboard and RAM.

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#2951796 7-Aug-2022 18:12

my son wanted an i9 but he went for the i7 after seeing this. is it worth the extra $200 for that much improvement of around 3%

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-12700K-vs-Intel-Core-i9-12900KF/4119vsm1685583

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#2951809 7-Aug-2022 19:42

vexxxboy:

my son wanted an i9 but he went for the i7 after seeing this. is it worth the extra $200 for that much improvement of around 3%

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-12700K-vs-Intel-Core-i9-12900KF/4119vsm1685583

thanks

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#2951823 7-Aug-2022 21:55

I like the Be Quiet! range of products - cases, coolers (CPU) and fans. I prefer them to Noctua, after owning both CPU coolers, the Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 4 is awesome.

I went with AMD / Ryzen about a year ago, it works well. Intel work well too.

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#2951825 7-Aug-2022 22:05

What's your actual budget (4k, 5k, more?) do you need new monitor etc?

What are you wanting to actually do with the PC - so far you have said nothing that helps say you need anything more than a basic i3.

Also new AMD CPU are due to be released 15 September (based on MSI material, if you can wait, you're better waiting another month (Reviews due out 13 Sept).

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#2951840 8-Aug-2022 06:26

mentalinc:

Also new AMD CPU are due to be released 15 September (based on MSI material, if you can wait, you're better waiting another month (Reviews due out 13 Sept).

You can play that game forever and get nothing.... :)

Theres always something newer coming, honestly, my view is get the best you can afford now, and be happy with it.

Sure, few months down the track you might go "why didnt I wait for model XYZ" but during that time you'd not have a system you were happy with while waiting.

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#2951841 8-Aug-2022 06:51

personally wouldn't be getting something straight after it comes out due to instabilities etc that come with it. wait a couple of months for the bios etc to mature

But yes we need budget and what the PC will be used for

ratsun81

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#2952107 8-Aug-2022 14:53

Id be very wary of using userbenchmark scores. In the recent past they have obfuscated their results by tuning their software to not favor more cores when that is the current trend for CPU manufacturers when a certain product was released.

For the OP, you dont want to waste money on an i9 CPU, its overkill for 90% of the people even with "future proofing".

You want an i5 or R5 system with a low/mid end GPU. That will do everything you want for a good while.
If you want to step it up a bit then going the i7/r7 route is going to cover you for a good period.

If you want latest and greatest, then go for the ddr5 stuff just be aware you are going to pay for it and be the guinea pig for a few years until the bugs are ironed out.

My advice, get a decent midrange system with a discrete GPU or an AMD G series CPU might cope okay for games for a time, ddr4, a good cooler like be quiet! or coolermaster.

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#2952111 8-Aug-2022 15:00

My previous PC was an i7 2600K, which I retired last year in favor off Ryzen 5600X. The 2600K was plenty fast enough, I only replaced it because the USB ports were wearing out and sound had stopped working. I use USB sound anyway, so I can switch between home and work computers anyway, but I wanted something reliable. That old computer is sitting in my home office not even plugged in, I could do something with it but it'd just use up power. In a few years when my son is old enough it might turn into a computer for him.

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#2955807 17-Aug-2022 22:31

ratsun81:

Id be very wary of using userbenchmark scores. In the recent past they have obfuscated their results by tuning their software to not favor more cores when that is the current trend for CPU manufacturers when a certain product was released.

For the OP, you dont want to waste money on an i9 CPU, its overkill for 90% of the people even with "future proofing".

You want an i5 or R5 system with a low/mid end GPU. That will do everything you want for a good while.
If you want to step it up a bit then going the i7/r7 route is going to cover you for a good period.

If you want latest and greatest, then go for the ddr5 stuff just be aware you are going to pay for it and be the guinea pig for a few years until the bugs are ironed out.

My advice, get a decent midrange system with a discrete GPU or an AMD G series CPU might cope okay for games for a time, ddr4, a good cooler like be quiet! or coolermaster.

Pretty solid advice here. Latest 12th gen Intel Chips and the Ryzen 5000 series are both going to serve you well for any current games, pair it with a 3000 series nvidia card and you'll be golden.

However, if you can possibly wait, give it 3 months and you will have Cyber Monday (generally the best discounts you'll see all year), you'll also have the new Ryzen CPU's coming out and the new Nvidia 4000 series. If that really seems too far away, then go for the Ryzen 5000 series or i7-12700 which has an iGPU (unless you're planning on OC'ing, then get the 12700k + z690) and pair it with an MSI B660m MB.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEa0vcJ0lRY&t=875s - Hardware Unboxed did a benchmark and you can see the temps are pretty solid with that board + the i7 12700.

You might run into a bunch of 2nd hand 3000 series nvidia cards at great prices on TM if you keep an eye out, just make sure they haven't been thrashed for mining.