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AlDrag

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#306691 14-Aug-2023 09:20

I'm planning to upgrade from my Intel 2600k to a either a 13600k or a Ryzen 7800x3D. I love the idea of a mini-itx build, coming from my existing Full Tower.
I plan on reusing my RTX 2060 (triple slot), but everything else will be replaced.

I prefer air cooling, but I could possibly be convinced to get an AIO.
The case I would like to use is a NR200p, with the mesh side panel (probably). Although might use the window if I get an AIO instead.
It just seems like the best case with the least compromises for air cooling when I have a triple slot GPU.

So I'm in a bit of a dilemma, mostly around deciding which platform and motherboard.

I've heard about many issues with Coil Whine with Ryzen AM5 boards. Also the fact they use mediatek for wifi is a bit of a turn off (but an easy fix) and the
overvolting issue happening with the new 3D chips (I think that's solved now with a bios update). God knows what other problems they might have (heard about USB problems on AMD4?)
The 7800x3D does seem like the best option for gaming though, especially since it'll use less power than 13600k.
Stock of AMD ITX boards in NZ is really bad too.

In regards to the Intel option, I've been eyeing up the Asus z690i since it has thunderbolt 4 (possibly won't use it, but it's nice) and just seems high quality in general.
However its VRM size is a HUGE problem for cooler compatibility, and figuring out what is compatible is bloody difficult. The Thermalright Frost Spirit would be perfect for example,
But I don't know if it fits this motherboard!

Any advice? or opinions?

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#3115645 14-Aug-2023 12:10

This guy is good to watch his clips especially the build a pc in 2023 https://youtu.be/5U77DZvzUIU

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#3115654 14-Aug-2023 12:23

I just upgraded to the system in my signature. Quite happy with the CPU. Altho I was upgrading from a 3rd gen Intel :D

Any "small" costs extra $$$ and when it comes to NZ, does seem to be quite restrictive on availability.

You say "full tower" but do you actually mean that, or a mid tower ?

https://computerinfobits.com/mid-tower-vs-full-tower/

Why not look at a mini/micro case ? Then gives you more options for motherboards etc.

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#3115659 14-Aug-2023 12:36

xpd:

I just upgraded to the system in my signature. Quite happy with the CPU. Altho I was upgrading from a 3rd gen Intel :D

Any "small" costs extra $$$ and when it comes to NZ, does seem to be quite restrictive on availability.

You say "full tower" but do you actually mean that, or a mid tower ?

https://computerinfobits.com/mid-tower-vs-full-tower/

Why not look at a mini/micro case ? Then gives you more options for motherboards etc.

Mini / Micro Tower Cases - PBTech.co.nz

This is my current case https://www.overclockers.com/nzxt-phantom-case-review/ says it's a full tower. Maybe they are bigger now a days? Either way, I'm sick of how big this is.

mATX might be an option....will look into it more.

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#3115680 14-Aug-2023 13:15

Ah yeah, thats what the youngsters call a "full tower" these days.... double that height and that was a full tower to me back in the day ;)

Def look at mATX based system over iTX just due to pricing and availability :)

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#3115869 14-Aug-2023 20:32

Have a recent Zen 4 build and happy with it, no issues so far a lot of the early issues have been fixed in recent bios updates.

One comment I would make when building an ITX system is cooling and the current generation Intel CPU's tend to be pretty power hungry and can run quite hot compared to the AMD systems for the same performance.Unless you have really good airflow I'd not be surprised if the system thermally throttles.

Also that's going to be a massive unbalanced build with either of those CPU's and a RTX 2060 GPU, I assume you want to grab a new GPU next generation?

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#3115873 14-Aug-2023 20:44

eonsim:

Have a recent Zen 4 build and happy with it, no issues so far a lot of the early issues have been fixed in recent bios updates.

One comment I would make when building an ITX system is cooling and the current generation Intel CPU's tend to be pretty power hungry and can run quite hot compared to the AMD systems for the same performance.Unless you have really good airflow I'd not be surprised if the system thermally throttles.

Also that's going to be a massive unbalanced build with either of those CPU's and a RTX 2060 GPU, I assume you want to grab a new GPU next generation?

I've seen conflicting reports, but reddit is an echo chamber, so I believe you.

Yea I definitely prefer AMD's efficiency, but I think I'm going to stick with Intel. I like the extra cores and I just know it's going to work haha...a bit cheaper too, but not by much.

Close to ordering this.

Edit: And yea in the future I'd like to get a new GPU, just can't justify it atm. The new CPU should give me current GPU a huge uplift in some of the games I play anyway. No more being pegged to 90-100% CPU usage.

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#3115893 14-Aug-2023 22:02

Well I've purchased my build.

Exactly the same as the one I posted, except the big change is that I went with a 7800x3D last minute along with a Gigabyte Aorus Pro B650m board haha.
Hopefully I don't have any issues like coil whine etc.

The lack of fast usb-c ports etc is a bit disappointing (only 10gbps on the back), but it's good enough.

Thank you for convincing me to go mATX. Super excited about this Asus case.

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#3115910 15-Aug-2023 00:26

uh I hope you didn't get that PSU, that's the shift version with the connectors on the side rather than the end like with most PSUs, not sure it will work in that case.

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#3115923 15-Aug-2023 06:44

Tzoi:
uh I hope you didn't get that PSU, that's the shift version with the connectors on the side rather than the end like with most PSUs, not sure it will work in that case.

****. Mate you're an absolute legend for telling me. I had no idea.

I have ordered it, but luckily I'm doing pick up today, so I can just ask them to change it. Phew...it's been 11 years since I last built my PC, so I had no idea this type of psu existed haha.

Edit: I just realised I accidentally purchased the Corsair RM850e instead of the shift anyway. I think I'd prefer the RM850x as it's better quality, but maybe doesn't matter? Any recommendations for a better psu at 850w from pbtech?

Also I should say the motherboard I got just in case I messed that up to haha. It's https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/MBDGBM36507/Gigabyte-B650M-AORUS-PRO-AX-MATX-For-AMD-Ryzen-700

Edit 2: the psu is the rm850e with ATX 3.0 which I think might be an A tier psu anyway.

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#3116518 16-Aug-2023 00:25

I'd just look at the PSU tier list and choose one of the higher rated ones there - should be able to find it if you do a google search

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#3116531 16-Aug-2023 06:56

AlDrag:

Well I've purchased my build.

Thank you for convincing me to go mATX. Super excited about this Asus case.

All good, enjoy the new build :D

I'm stoked with my new build (sig), didn't bother upping the video card as I only game in 1080p. Everything I've thrown at it so far is running smooth and stutter free so I'm happy (And my guilty pleasure, Sims 4, is so much faster to load :D )

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#3116532 16-Aug-2023 06:59

All good, enjoy the new build :D

I'm stoked with my new build (sig), didn't bother upping the video card as I only game in 1080p. Everything I've thrown at it so far is running smooth and stutter free so I'm happy (And my guilty pleasure, Sims 4, is so much faster to load :D )

Thanks! I bet it's a great feeling!

Unfortunately looks like something is broken with my new build :( maybe the motherboard.

Getting an infinite boot loop. CPU red light for less than a second then dram red light for about 3-5seconds then restarts and goes through that cycle again...tried all combinations of my ram (only have 1 ram kit though) and reseating everything, clearing cmos and even flashing a new bios...

Hopefully pbtech doesn't mess me around.

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#3116539 16-Aug-2023 07:28

AlDrag:

Thanks! I bet it's a great feeling!

Unfortunately looks like something is broken with my new build :( maybe the motherboard.

Getting an infinite boot loop. CPU red light for less than a second then dram red light for about 3-5seconds then restarts and goes through that cycle again...tried all combinations of my ram (only have 1 ram kit though) and reseating everything, clearing cmos and even flashing a new bios...

Hopefully pbtech doesn't mess me around.

Any bios updates for the motherboard? I'd check that.

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#3116541 16-Aug-2023 07:42

Yeah, def check for BIOS updates. I was having issues with my new build, but even BIOS updates were failing to run...... found the issue... one of the motherboard power connectors had come loose. Was enough power to give appearance of things running OK but that was it. Felt like an idiot when I plugged it in properly and saw the BIOS splash screen finally appear.

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#3116542 16-Aug-2023 07:44

nzkc:
Any bios updates for the motherboard? I'd check that.

Yea tried both the latest and a slightly older than latest via q flash. Unfortunately didn't help.

Also have checked all my plugs. Seated firmly in.

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