Upgrading ram need help please

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Twalknz72

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#315911 29-Aug-2024 16:59

Hello lovely people. I really struggle with the computer stuff so I always come here for advice. My sons computer is aging and he'd like to upgrade the ram as, otherwise, it's still working well. So my question is what ram to get. He's looking to go from his current 2x8 GBS 2666 Mhz DDR 4 to 32GB 3200Mhz DDR4. I know getting 2, or more, sticks is best and there can be compatibility issues so I'm uploading a screenshot I'd his build. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you

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#3276767 29-Aug-2024 17:10

What's the actual problem you're trying to solve here?

What can't he do, or what isn't working like it use to etc?

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Twalknz72

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#3276773 29-Aug-2024 17:38

He's a gamer he'd like it to run a bit faster/better.

ratsun81

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#3276777 29-Aug-2024 17:54

Does it have a GPU? from your first post it doesnt show that it does.

Not having a GPU is pretty much the problem if thats the case.

Also its pretty rare that stepping up ram speed and doubling capacity is going to make much of a meaningful difference.

To find the problem properly first determine if the computer is thermal throttling, install hwinfo64 and do some logging while hes gaming min max temps and it should tell you if its overheating. If anything thermal throttles then the computer needs a cleanout/service as a starting point.

Next, make sure the C: is not more than 70% full, SSD's slow down the more they fill up. Check what has been installed over time. Its very easy for a lot of crud to be installed that slows down pc's

and finally make sure that things like XMP memory profiles are enabled in bios.

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#3276782 29-Aug-2024 18:14

Unless he's running the latest titles at high resolutions, i suggest more ram won't really help with anything.

As mentioned, does he have a graphic card? if so what model? it may help more with what the issue is

K8Toledo

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#3276787 29-Aug-2024 19:05

Twalknz72: Hello lovely people. I really struggle with the computer stuff so I always come here for advice. My sons computer is aging and he'd like to upgrade the ram as, otherwise, it's still working well. So my question is what ram to get. He's looking to go from his current 2x8 GBS 2666 Mhz DDR 4 to 32GB 3200Mhz DDR4. I know getting 2, or more, sticks is best and there can be compatibility issues so I'm uploading a screenshot I'd his build. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you

You should advise your son that upgrading from 2666 to 3200 won't make any difference except in bandwidth benchmarks.

More cost effective adding two more sticks to what you already have.

mentalinc:

What's the actual problem you're trying to solve here?

What can't he do, or what isn't working like it use to etc?

OP's son is probably a gamer.

Qazzy03

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#3276790 29-Aug-2024 19:19

I agree getting another set of 2x8 GBS 2666 Mhz DDR 4
Would be more cost effective than going to 3200mhz, the difference between them would be pretty minor.

Agree with others about are there any heat/thermal issues or gpu?

Twalknz72

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#3276845 29-Aug-2024 20:35

Sorry I missed adding this as it was on the next page re GPU

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Twalknz72

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#3276848 29-Aug-2024 20:40

I don't believe the pc has had any heat issues. We have a tech come once a year or so for a physical and digital clean up. I always ask them how it's doing and if there are any issues. This time they mentioned the ram might help with my sons games. Our usual tech has left the company since though.

Qazzy03

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#3276849 29-Aug-2024 20:52

Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER is still pretty solid as a GPU.

Here is a YouTube video showing that an increase from 2666 Mhz to 3200 Mhz is not that much of a gain, usually less than 10%.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-86SGq8x_r0

You could pick up this kit for $127 https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/MEMCOR70224/Corsair-VENGEANCE-LPX-32GB-DDR4-Desktop-RAM-Kit?qr=pspy

But the money might be worth saving for a new GPU in a year or two.

Twalknz72

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#3276850 29-Aug-2024 20:57

So would getting 2 more 8GB 2666 Mhz (total of 32GB) would help as much or more than going to 32GB 3200Mhz?

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#3276871 29-Aug-2024 21:18

is he even running out of ram in the first place? thats what you need to find out.

the 3200MHZ ram will always be better, but its going to me more expensive as you are getting the full 32GB whereas you could get a second set of 16 GB (2x8GB) for less, if you can find some.

Qazzy03

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#3276873 29-Aug-2024 21:31

Twalknz72: So would getting 2 more 8GB 2666 Mhz (total of 32GB) would help as much or more than going to 32GB 3200Mhz?

If your son is anything like me with 3 browsers open, with like 6 tabs in each and watching youtube while playing a game, having other applications / programs running, I am using about 26GB of my 32GB of ram, plus I am terrible at restarting etc expanding the ram from 16GB to 32GB total might help.

Some people swear 16 GB is all you need and good for them... I am very lazy with my ram usage, so I opt for more.

SpartanVXL

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#3276874 29-Aug-2024 21:36

Hi, technically you do get performance increase with faster memory, but this is only in certain cases related to CPU performance.

The RTX 2060 is a bit old now and is the primary bottleneck for gaming. You’ll want to look at a upgrade for that first before looking at other components.

Please consider your screen output resolution and refresh as well e.g. if at 1080p then most upgrades are okay, if going 1440p120hz or above then consider a xx70 tier card or above, and on amd’s side a 7800 or above.

Extra RAM only helps if you are actually running out, currently very few PC games hit 16GB unless you are running a heap of things in the background (even with windows).

The RAM speed does improve performance but only when in CPU dependent scenarios, and mostly affect minimum/low framerates. You are technically using overclocked profiles to get this performance so it is the last thing you should consider before every other part.

Edit: to put a number to it, you get maybe less than 10% noticeable difference with new memory, do not focus on that when a graphics card upgrade will net 80%+ increase

K8Toledo

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#3276884 29-Aug-2024 23:18

SpartanVXL: Hi, technically you do get performance increase with faster memory, but this is only in certain cases related to CPU performance.

The RTX 2060 is a bit old now and is the primary bottleneck for gaming. You’ll want to look at a upgrade for that first before looking at other components.

Please consider your screen output resolution and refresh as well e.g. if at 1080p then most upgrades are okay, if going 1440p120hz or above then consider a xx70 tier card or above, and on amd’s side a 7800 or above.

Extra RAM only helps if you are actually running out, currently very few PC games hit 16GB unless you are running a heap of things in the background (even with windows).

The RAM speed does improve performance but only when in CPU dependent scenarios, and mostly affect minimum/low framerates. You are technically using overclocked profiles to get this performance so it is the last thing you should consider before every other part.

Edit: to put a number to it, you get maybe less than 10% noticeable difference with new memory, do not focus on that when a graphics card upgrade will net 80%+ increase

No it doesn't.

Memory bandwidth matters when running memory intensive applications, and games are not memory intensive. An extra 400Mhz won't make the slightest difference to FPS.

The OP's i7 CPU officially supports 2993Mhz anyway, so unless the son overclocks his system and I suspect he isn't, PC 3200 will be running at PC 29993.

If it were me and I wanted 3200, I'd just overclock the memory in BIOS. I'm running 16GB Kingston (Hynix chips) DDR3 1600 @2400Mhz.

And with WDDM 1.3 applications can reserve system memory as a sort of page file for the GPU, the amount of memory reserved is dictated by how much VRAM the card has.

With an 8GB GPU and 16GB of RAM, 8GB of RAM could be reserved when a game loads, leaving only 8GB of RAM for the game and everything else, which is fine if the system and game together requires less than 8GB to run, but if it does, the page file will be used, and without a page file, the game will crash.

FPS depends on GPU frame rendering time, which in turn depends on CPU frame drawing time.

I used to think 32GB was overkill for a gaming desktop until recently, when I configured and performance tested a system for my clients son, also a gamer. This kid has 550GB of games in his Steam folder.

While installing CoD; the decompression stage ate almost 30GB of RAM.

Twalknz72

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#3276885 29-Aug-2024 23:20

SpartanVXL: Hi, technically you do get performance increase with faster memory, but this is only in certain cases related to CPU performance.

The RTX 2060 is a bit old now and is the primary bottleneck for gaming. You’ll want to look at a upgrade for that first before looking at other components.

Please consider your screen output resolution and refresh as well e.g. if at 1080p then most upgrades are okay, if going 1440p120hz or above then consider a xx70 tier card or above, and on amd’s side a 7800 or above.

Extra RAM only helps if you are actually running out, currently very few PC games hit 16GB unless you are running a heap of things in the background (even with windows).

The RAM speed does improve performance but only when in CPU dependent scenarios, and mostly affect minimum/low framerates. You are technically using overclocked profiles to get this performance so it is the last thing you should consider before every other part.

Edit: to put a number to it, you get maybe less than 10% noticeable difference with new memory, do not focus on that when a graphics card upgrade will net 80%+ increase

Yep this is EXACTLY what he does. He's always listening to something, YouTube, gaming and generally has a browser page or 3 open. He's not looking to upgrade at this time but just squeeze a wee bit more out of what he has hence the addition of a bit of ram. Maybe a full upgrade in a couple of years, when running his games is a real problem, but for now just a wee tweak will do.

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