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#63630 1-Jul-2010 08:17
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What's the difference between Quad and Dual processors? I'm building a new computer and i'm not sure on the difference here.

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  #346922 1-Jul-2010 10:49
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ok ill try explain this.

Your PC will only have 1 processor.

But that processor may have several "cores"

For example a dual core or a quad core processor. The duel core will have 2 processing cores and the quad will have 4 processing cores. generally - the more cores the merrier.

What will you be using your PC for?

edit: you can have more then 1 processor but that is generally reserved for Servers and scientific workstations costing thousands and thousands of $



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  #346930 1-Jul-2010 11:01
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A Quad CPU has 4 cores, a Dual only has 2. :)

For a more thorough explanation of multi-core CPUs, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-core_processor

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  #346932 1-Jul-2010 11:05
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powerforce:
What will you be using your PC for?

edit: you can have more then 1 processor but that is generally reserved for Servers and scientific workstations costing thousands and thousands of $


Big games like Flight Sim X, Programming and a small home server to do testing on.

So Quad then you think?



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  #346940 1-Jul-2010 11:48
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Some games will take advantage of multi-core CPUs, some dont.

I researched Flight Sim X for work and what sort of system we would need to get decent framerates etc and found that a lot of people with the latest and greatest CPU's didnt have any advantage over lesser powered CPU's.

Video cards however made a huge difference....




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  #346941 1-Jul-2010 11:50
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The biggest issue is that most applications don't multi-thread. That is, they only use a single core. Some exceptions to this include video processing applications and some games (such as Civ V, which will support up to 8 cores).

Where this becomes fraught is, for a given price, the speed of each 'core' on a Quad core will be lower than on a similar priced dual core.

So for applications that only use a single core, you are likely to see lower performance on a quad core machine. Unless you have more than one application running in the background that is using a lot of CPU...

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  #346951 1-Jul-2010 12:14
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k1wi: The biggest issue is that most applications don't multi-thread. That is, they only use a single core. Some exceptions to this include video processing applications and some games (such as Civ V, which will support up to 8 cores).

Where this becomes fraught is, for a given price, the speed of each 'core' on a Quad core will be lower than on a similar priced dual core.

So for applications that only use a single core, you are likely to see lower performance on a quad core machine. Unless you have more than one application running in the background that is using a lot of CPU...


So quad core does not mean more power, it's the same as dual just split out 4 ways? is there something else I should look for in a processor that will make my selection a good one?

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Think of it this way, imagine the CPU is more like a group of people working together.
In dual core, imagine its two people working. In quad core, imagine it's four people working together.

As you know, some tasks will work a lot better the more people help out. Such examples of tasks on a computer are video encoding, 3d modeling/rendering, CAD, and games which have been designed to take advantage of the extra cores. These applications are what we call multi-threaded. They are designed to scale to work faster the more cores (or threads) you have.

Some tasks however, can only really be completed by one person at a time - adding more people doesnt really help. This is what we call single-threaded applications. Examples are the majority of programs, including games and other applications which havent been designed with multicore support in mind.

What im trying to explain, is that theres not a linear increase in power with more cores. Unfortunately people seem to think this, and we see "19.2ghz" computers being sold on trademe because people think you can take a 3.2ghz six core CPU and multiply it out.

Keep in mind however, a computer isnt only doing one thing at a time, so system with many cores will handle multitasking better, as each task can get given more power from a core, rather than it having to be split.

So if we take say, a 2.4ghz Quad Core vs a 3.2ghz Dual Core, in single and two threaded applications, the dual will be faster as it has more raw performance. However, in multithreaded applications like video encoding for example, the Quad will be faster.
Random real life example - At LAN parties when we play games, often my e8500 dual core overclocked to 4ghz beats a mates Core i7 920 (quad core, hyperthreading) @ 2.7ghz in terms of loading times, because many (particularly older) games arent made to take the best advantage of multi-core setups.

 
 
 
 

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  #346959 1-Jul-2010 12:34
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eXDee: Think of it this way, imagine the CPU is more like a group of people working together.
In dual core, imagine its two people working. In quad core, imagine it's four people working together.

As you know, some tasks will work a lot better the more people help out. Such examples of tasks on a computer are video encoding, 3d modeling/rendering, CAD, and games which have been designed to take advantage of the extra cores. These applications are what we call multi-threaded. They are designed to scale to work faster the more cores (or threads) you have.

Some tasks however, can only really be completed by one person at a time - adding more people doesnt really help. This is what we call single-threaded applications. Examples are the majority of programs, including games and other applications which havent been designed with multicore support in mind.

What im trying to explain, is that theres not a linear increase in power with more cores. Unfortunately people seem to think this, and we see "19.2ghz" computers being sold on trademe because people think you can take a 3.2ghz six core CPU and multiply it out.

Keep in mind however, a computer isnt only doing one thing at a time, so system with many cores will handle multitasking better, as each task can get given more power from a core, rather than it having to be split.

So if we take say, a 2.4ghz Quad Core vs a 3.2ghz Dual Core, in single and two threaded applications, the dual will be faster as it has more raw performance. However, in multithreaded applications like video encoding for example, the Quad will be faster.


Right thanks for the reply, I understand now - so when I'm doing my programming and using DreamWeaver, PhotoShop, Visual Studio as well as having outlook and IE8 open at the same time Quad-Core will be better for me?

For flight Sim Dual core would be fine.

What's the price difference?

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  #346961 1-Jul-2010 12:36
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Key thing to know that i7 and i5 quad core has turbo-boost feature that when single-thread application is utilising just only 1 core, the turbo-boost will crank that core up without damaging any other core or get fried. So the single-core speed can be at least 1.5x of its normal speed.

Take i7-720QM http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=43122 has normal speed of 1.6GHz per core, when boosted, the speed can tuned up to 2.8GHz.




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  #346966 1-Jul-2010 12:52
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kiwis: What's the difference between Quad and Dual processors? I'm building a new computer and i'm not sure on the difference here.


Dual processors is like your standard relationship. Quad core is like a three-some, it's just better.

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  #346984 1-Jul-2010 13:36
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nate:
kiwis: What's the difference between Quad and Dual processors? I'm building a new computer and i'm not sure on the difference here.


Dual processors is like your standard relationship. Quad core is like a three-some, it's just better.


LOL!

Well, it's more like a 4some, since AMD does tri-core CPUs.. (That would be a 3some)

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#346986 1-Jul-2010 13:43
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nate:
kiwis: What's the difference between Quad and Dual processors? I'm building a new computer and i'm not sure on the difference here.


Dual processors is like your standard relationship. Quad core is like a three-some, it's just better.
But sometimes you get a third wheel, and if you're buying it... it generally costs more :P


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  #347869 5-Jul-2010 09:02
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LOL ,

3some, 4some, as long as they're handsome!


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  #347887 5-Jul-2010 09:32
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Right thanks for the reply, I understand now - so when I'm doing my programming and using DreamWeaver, PhotoShop, Visual Studio as well as having outlook and IE8 open at the same time Quad-Core will be better for me?

For flight Sim Dual core would be fine.

What's the price difference?


IMHO if you are using applications like PhotoShop stick as much RAM into the machine as you can possibly afford and I would wager that this will give you more bang for your buck than going for a quad core.
 




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