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#961869 6-Jan-2014 13:44

Why I won't switch to WP8

I'm deep into the google ecosystem, and I especially like the seemless integration between mobile and desktop (for eg. Gmail, Keep, Hangouts). An experience MS cannot yet replicate.

And while WP8 interface is very polished, I prefer the simplicity of Kit Kat on my Nexus 5. I set up a Lumia 520 for a friend. Initially I was impressed with UI, but after some use it's lack of customisation options for so many settings was frustrating.

And then there is the very large elephant in the room. Lack of apps. So many apps I enjoy and rely on are not there ... and unlikely to arrive in the immediate future.

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#962358 7-Jan-2014 11:06

Benzin:
lyonrouge: I don't consider the Windows Phone 7/8 "divide" comparable to the Android or iOS versions (fragments for one reason, many (I admit, not all) applications on previous versions of Android and iOS can be run on the current versions. MS ones cannot. When MS cross the divide, everyone has to start again (see my previous post as to why I resisted "trying" Windows Phone (8)).

Not true, Windows Phone 7 applications can be run on Windows Phone 8. Windows Phone 8 apps however, can not be run on Windows Phone 7.

Thanks, I was off the mark on that one. When I performed a search for the same application in WP7 and WP8 the results come up in a different order, but indeed, the WP7 apps are available in WP8.

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#964164 9-Jan-2014 22:05

dafman: Why I won't switch to WP8

I'm deep into the google ecosystem, and I especially like the seemless integration between mobile and desktop (for eg. Gmail, Keep, Hangouts). An experience MS cannot yet replicate.

And while WP8 interface is very polished, I prefer the simplicity of Kit Kat on my Nexus 5. I set up a Lumia 520 for a friend. Initially I was impressed with UI, but after some use it's lack of customisation options for so many settings was frustrating.

And then there is the very large elephant in the room. Lack of apps. So many apps I enjoy and rely on are not there ... and unlikely to arrive in the immediate future.

Google won't release those apps on WP on purpose

re the settings/customisations, once of the things I've seen from end users is confusion over all of the settings/options on Android compared to WP

lack of customisation can be a feature, sometimes us techos are not the target market

If you're having to setup a 520 for a friend instead of them doing it themselves, I wonder how they would get on with Android

just some thoughts...

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#964169 9-Jan-2014 22:16

nathan:
dafman: Why I won't switch to WP8

I'm deep into the google ecosystem, and I especially like the seemless integration between mobile and desktop (for eg. Gmail, Keep, Hangouts). An experience MS cannot yet replicate.

And while WP8 interface is very polished, I prefer the simplicity of Kit Kat on my Nexus 5. I set up a Lumia 520 for a friend. Initially I was impressed with UI, but after some use it's lack of customisation options for so many settings was frustrating.

And then there is the very large elephant in the room. Lack of apps. So many apps I enjoy and rely on are not there ... and unlikely to arrive in the immediate future.

Google won't release those apps on WP on purpose

re the settings/customisations, once of the things I've seen from end users is confusion over all of the settings/options on Android compared to WP

lack of customisation can be a feature, sometimes us techos are not the target market

If you're having to setup a 520 for a friend instead of them doing it themselves, I wonder how they would get on with Android

just some thoughts...

I use both WP8 and Android, WP8 is a piece of cake to deal with, it is also easy to use and plenty of power with fuss.

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#964230 10-Jan-2014 01:02

Benzin:
Handsomedan:
lyonrouge: I don't consider the Windows Phone 7/8 "divide" comparable to the Android or iOS versions (fragments for one reason, many (I admit, not all) applications on previous versions of Android and iOS can be run on the current versions. MS ones cannot. When MS cross the divide, everyone has to start again (see my previous post as to why I resisted "trying" Windows Phone (8)).

Actually I agree with you there - it's not like a new phone comes out with a slightly newer version of software and there's an upgrade path...it simply was a move from one platform to another...like an entirely different OS...

Maybe this is the start of a different era? one where the older WP8 phones will be able to update to the newer OS for a time before becoming obsolete, just like iOS and Android.

It is indeed!

"In March 2013, Microsoft announced that updates for the Windows Phone 8 operating system would be made available through July 8, 2014. Microsoft pushed support up to 36 months, announcing that updates for the Windows Phone 8 operating system would be made available through January 12, 2016. Windows Phone 8 devices will be upgradeable to the next edition of Windows Phone, unlike Windows Phone 7.x devices, which were not upgradeable to Windows Phone 8"

lyonrouge: Announcements and materialisation can be quite disparate.

http://www.winbeta.org/news/microsoft-confirms-windows-phone-8-users-can-upgrade-windows-phone-81?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

"Microsoft confirms: Windows Phone 8 users can upgrade to Windows Phone 8.1"

"Microsoft promises that current Windows Phone 8 users should be able to update with ease. 'We will not have the same experience as we had when Windows Phone 7 was upgraded to Windows Phone 8,' Windows Phone director of public relations, Greg Sullivan, stated during an interview at CES today."

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#964256 10-Jan-2014 08:03

nathan:

Google won't release those apps on WP on purpose

re the settings/customisations, once of the things I've seen from end users is confusion over all of the settings/options on Android compared to WP

lack of customisation can be a feature, sometimes us techos are not the target market

If you're having to setup a 520 for a friend instead of them doing it themselves, I wonder how they would get on with Android

just some thoughts...

MS hasn't been averse to this either, how many examples would you like me to find for you?, they are competitors whether we agree or not its what companies do so the "on purpose" was unnecessary

I've seen confusion with settings on all makes of phone when it comes to certain things needing done it just depends on what camp you sit in and the examples you use, or don't as the case maybe.

it can be a feature but that's stretching it a bit as you don't have to customise but having the ability is a feature don't you think.

Some people can't setup a microwave far less a smartphone and as i recall and have seen the basic setup to get it, txt and email is not difficult at all.

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#964258 10-Jan-2014 08:10

My interpretation was that WP8 (and iOS to a degree) compromise features for performance? I think in context to this forum, the reason you would not try WP is inflexibility?

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#964423 10-Jan-2014 12:09

Encouraging words, wonder how that'll play out for us Amber users?

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#964509 10-Jan-2014 13:41

nathan: If you're having to setup a 520 for a friend instead of them doing it themselves, I wonder how they would get on with Android

just some thoughts...

Agree, WP is great for noobs, whereas android can be a tough ask for them. I have seen some horrendous phone set ups with noobs/android. Or phones only used to a fraction of their capability.

I specifically recommended WP for my friend as he is not tech-savvy and has never owned a phone. He loves his 520.

But the total number of noobs are only a fraction of smart phone users ... and therein lies MS's problem.

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#964511 10-Jan-2014 13:44

dafman:
nathan: If you're having to setup a 520 for a friend instead of them doing it themselves, I wonder how they would get on with Android

just some thoughts...

Agree, WP is great for noobs, whereas android can be a tough ask for them. I have seen some horrendous phone set ups with noobs/android. Or phones only used to a fraction of their capability.

I specifically recommended WP for my friend as he is not tech-savvy and has never owned a phone. He loves his 520.

But the total number of noobs are only a fraction of smart phone users ... and therein lies MS's problem.

or the opportunity

what about all the dumb phone/feature phone users who will become smartphone users in the future?

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#964542 10-Jan-2014 14:08

dafman:
nathan: If you're having to setup a 520 for a friend instead of them doing it themselves, I wonder how they would get on with Android

just some thoughts...

Agree, WP is great for noobs, whereas android can be a tough ask for them. I have seen some horrendous phone set ups with noobs/android. Or phones only used to a fraction of their capability.

I specifically recommended WP for my friend as he is not tech-savvy and has never owned a phone. He loves his 520.

But the total number of noobs are only a fraction of smart phone users ... and therein lies MS's problem.

I think you maybe underestimating the "noob" (inexperience) smartphone percentage. Last night I showed my sister she could buy a song from iTunes, on her iPhone, that she has had for over a year.

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#964544 10-Jan-2014 14:13

Most people only use technology to help them do something they already do better, not do new things.

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#964572 10-Jan-2014 14:42

TinyTim: Most people only use technology to help them do something they already do better, not do new things.

I'm not sure "most" applies. If by "technology" you mean Smart Phones, I've found many reasons for people having them:
• status symbols
• fashion accessories
• work gave it to them
• plan was up for renewal
• old one broken and no longer manufactured

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#964576 10-Jan-2014 14:43

TinyTim: Most people only use technology to help them do something they already do better, not do new things.

Yeah like porn on the bus :)

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#964582 10-Jan-2014 14:51

lyonrouge:
TinyTim: Most people only use technology to help them do something they already do better, not do new things.

I'm not sure "most" applies. If by "technology" you mean Smart Phones, I've found many reasons for people having them:
• status symbols
• fashion accessories
• work gave it to them
• plan was up for renewal
• old one broken and no longer manufactured

Plus...

They reviewed the options and made an informed decision.
Their purchase best met their assessed needs
It allowed them to be productive while mobile
It kept them informed
Was with in their budget
etc
etc
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