Next Gen Xbox "Project Scarlett" Coming Holiday 2020

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#251126 10-Jun-2019 09:59

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Key Points: 120fps /8k

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#2255124 10-Jun-2019 11:13

Now we just need TVs to get out of the dark ages and take more than 60Hz input.

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#2255129 10-Jun-2019 11:21

Nice to have, but think I need to step away from gaming and start doing more outdoors stuff for my health and kids :)

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#2255140 10-Jun-2019 11:41

120fps....hrmm....yea probably not.

It’ll be 60fps for the majority of titles. Unless there has been some renaissance I’ve missed, consoles will always cater for the lowest common denominator. For refresh rate this is 60Hz now that everybody and their dog has a 1080p panel. I don’t see most games allowing unlocked fps versus the current standard of limiting it by refresh rate, and not many people have 120Hz or higher panels.

And then theres the ‘artistic integrity’ a few devs like to fall back on when they decide to go 24-30fps, motion blurred out the wazoo imagery for their games.

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#2255211 10-Jun-2019 12:26

SpartanVXL: 120fps....hrmm....yea probably not.

It’ll be 60fps for the majority of titles. Unless there has been some renaissance I’ve missed, consoles will always cater for the lowest common denominator. For refresh rate this is 60Hz now that everybody and their dog has a 1080p panel. I don’t see most games allowing unlocked fps versus the current standard of limiting it by refresh rate, and not many people have 120Hz or higher panels.

And then theres the ‘artistic integrity’ a few devs like to fall back on when they decide to go 24-30fps, motion blurred out the wazoo imagery for their games.

1080p 60fps on PC maybe, but that is not the intended market. From now outwards, most Xbox/console users will have / will be upgrading to 4K 60fps TVs minimum. Plus HDMI 2.1 TVs starting to trickle in means that 4k/120hz is technically possible.

8K on the other hand is going to be a slow uptake, but given that this console will have a lifetime of 5 + years, something they still have to consider (most likely in the form of a mid-life refresh I guess).

For 1080p/1440p, I will be surprised if it isn't at least 120fps, if not more considering the current Xbox One Xbox can do that. 4K, I would hope for 60fps minimum.

As you have said though, support in games can be lackluster, but if they want to shift some units, they will need to have at least some title at launch capable of flashy things.

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#2255943 11-Jun-2019 12:09

Exactly, 60Hz panels are the most common (1080/4k doesnt really matter). This will be what devs will target now that they have a cpu that can handle it. As the resolution goes up, again the fps will go down as devs target image quality over framerate, especially true for 8k. This has always been the case and I don’t imagine it to change. Its cool that xbox “support” the outputs for higher refresh but whether it will be used properly is another matter.

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#2255950 11-Jun-2019 12:17

4x faster in what regard? We have never seen a generation of computing that is 4x as fast as the prior generation.

I usually buy both consoles to cover my bases (I like exclusives on both platforms though more so for Sony and prefer their controller), and I will probably do so again this generation, but I am thinking Sony will find a way to trump them.

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#2255951 11-Jun-2019 12:18

xpd:

Nice to have, but think I need to step away from gaming and start doing more outdoors stuff for my health and kids :)

What you going to do in the evenings after they go to bed ? :)

Wait, don't answer that :-)

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#2256090 11-Jun-2019 14:33

networkn:
4x faster in what regard? We have never seen a generation of computing that is 4x as fast as the prior generation.

I usually buy both consoles to cover my bases (I like exclusives on both platforms though more so for Sony and prefer their controller), and I will probably do so again this generation, but I am thinking Sony will find a way to trump them.

They are referring to cpu throughput. Jaguar to Zen 2 is a big jump. Not to mention consoles are now going to have ssd level responsiveness, suffice to say if all this is true for base level model, console players will be in for a good shock.

gpu wont change too much. Maybe a 20-40% increase, but well in the 1080p/1440/4K checkerboarded. Main thing to hope for is that they finally hit 60fps as a minimum.

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#2256096 11-Jun-2019 14:40

The whole thing with gaming, is FPS ultimately. Current gen can handle between 45-60FPS relatively often, and really, 60-90 is usually more than enough. I guess you could talk about quality improvements, at the same frame rate, but so long as you are hitting the frame rates, all the CPU, GPU etc in the world isn't really doing much for the average gamer.

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#2256122 11-Jun-2019 15:20

networkn:
The whole thing with gaming, is FPS ultimately. Current gen can handle between 45-60FPS relatively often, and really, 60-90 is usually more than enough. I guess you could talk about quality improvements, at the same frame rate, but so long as you are hitting the frame rates, all the CPU, GPU etc in the world isn't really doing much for the average gamer.

No, 60fps titles are in the minority. Jaguar cpu really held back framerates for this gen, it why devs bumped up graphics quality and slap a 4K sticker on their games instead of trying for higher framerates. They simply couldn’t, not enough juice and the slow hard drive just made it worse. The ps4 pro/xboxX had a bump in clock speed but it didn’t help much. It was simply easier to target 30fps and use the beefy gpu to make the game prettier.

Now with zen2 they can hit 60fps and maintain it. Maybe some games will allow a 120fps option if they can reach it. Spare resource can be used for background apps (think discord/music) in the dashboard, or, better yet to keep fps minimums up during intensive scenarios.

Also VR needs 90fps minimum for presence/immersion unless you use frame doubling, timewarp or other technique to hit that or above.

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#2256166 11-Jun-2019 15:31

SpartanVXL: Exactly, 60Hz panels are the most common (1080/4k doesnt really matter). This will be what devs will target now that they have a cpu that can handle it. As the resolution goes up, again the fps will go down as devs target image quality over framerate, especially true for 8k. This has always been the case and I don’t imagine it to change. Its cool that xbox “support” the outputs for higher refresh but whether it will be used properly is another matter.

I get you now, and yeah I imagine that will be the case for the majority. I would hope with the amount of mid-range upwards panels capable of 100hz+, and tech like VRR/FreeSync making it into the market, they start moving away from locked frame-rate engines, or at least offer a few performance vs graphics modes like 1X. But we will see how that hope pans out haha.

I guess we might see mostly online low intensity graphics FPS shooters capable of up to 120fps, given their popularity.

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xpd:

Nice to have, but think I need to step away from gaming and start doing more outdoors stuff for my health and kids :)

What you going to do in the evenings after they go to bed ? :)

Wait, don't answer that :-)

He has already answered it, he needs to do more outdoors "stuff" for his "health". And "kids"... we all know how they are made

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#2364377 2-Dec-2019 09:54

Some interesting tweets have surfaced since the ps5 devkit leaks. According to two industry insiders Microsoft are behind schedule on getting devkits out to developers. While Sony is further ahead in the process.

The first tweet came from Tom Warren Senior Editor over @ the Verge.

https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status/1200823939326459904?r

hardly anyone has them, and they’re nowhere near final. That’s why you’re hearing a lot of nonsense about them not being powerful etc. Microsoft wants to surprise Sony this time

The second piece of info came from Jason Schreier over on resetera.

Not sure if the "trying to surprise Sony" part is quite right -- common sense would suggest that, like with the Xbox One, Microsoft is just running behind schedule and will launch pretty hot -- but I've talked to a few third-party developers who said they were frustrated by the lack of info on Scarlett, especially compared to Prospero.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/tom-warren-%E2%80%9Chardly-anyone-has-them%E2%80%9D-scarlett-dev-kits-%E2%80%9Cthey%E2%80%99re-no-where-near-final%E2%80%9D.156170/page-7#post-26945547

Its really quite funny watching this all playout. If this is true this could mean that early next-gen games could be more optimized for ps5 because Microsoft wanting to keep their specs under lock and key for longer and wanting to "surprise" Sony even though Schreier is saying this isn't the case and their simply behind schedule in the hardware development and manufacturing process. This honestly wouldn't surprise me if they wanted to hold back their specs just to try and get the jump on their competitor which is honestly pretty pathetic. They're putting themselves at a disadvantage not putting out more devkits to more developers.

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#2364596 2-Dec-2019 13:39

networkn:
xpd:

Nice to have, but think I need to step away from gaming and start doing more outdoors stuff for my health and kids :)

What you going to do in the evenings after they go to bed ? :)

Wait, don't answer that :-)

Sleep.
Get it while you can as they may wake half an hour after you finally go to sleep and stay awake all night....

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#2364753 2-Dec-2019 14:36

I am sure just like every other generation, most games on the new consoles will target the highest resolution and graphical fidelity at the expense of frame-rate and run at 30FPS once again...

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#2364765 2-Dec-2019 14:43

Sleep.Get it while you can as they may wake half an hour after you finally go to sleep and stay awake all night....

Heh.

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