Now we just need TVs to get out of the dark ages and take more than 60Hz input.

Nice to have, but think I need to step away from gaming and start doing more outdoors stuff for my health and kids :)

SpartanVXL: 120fps....hrmm....yea probably not.

It’ll be 60fps for the majority of titles. Unless there has been some renaissance I’ve missed, consoles will always cater for the lowest common denominator. For refresh rate this is 60Hz now that everybody and their dog has a 1080p panel. I don’t see most games allowing unlocked fps versus the current standard of limiting it by refresh rate, and not many people have 120Hz or higher panels.

And then theres the ‘artistic integrity’ a few devs like to fall back on when they decide to go 24-30fps, motion blurred out the wazoo imagery for their games.

1080p 60fps on PC maybe, but that is not the intended market. From now outwards, most Xbox/console users will have / will be upgrading to 4K 60fps TVs minimum. Plus HDMI 2.1 TVs starting to trickle in means that 4k/120hz is technically possible.

8K on the other hand is going to be a slow uptake, but given that this console will have a lifetime of 5 + years, something they still have to consider (most likely in the form of a mid-life refresh I guess).

For 1080p/1440p, I will be surprised if it isn't at least 120fps, if not more considering the current Xbox One Xbox can do that. 4K, I would hope for 60fps minimum.

As you have said though, support in games can be lackluster, but if they want to shift some units, they will need to have at least some title at launch capable of flashy things.

4x faster in what regard? We have never seen a generation of computing that is 4x as fast as the prior generation.

I usually buy both consoles to cover my bases (I like exclusives on both platforms though more so for Sony and prefer their controller), and I will probably do so again this generation, but I am thinking Sony will find a way to trump them.

xpd:

 

Nice to have, but think I need to step away from gaming and start doing more outdoors stuff for my health and kids :)

 

 

 

What you going to do in the evenings after they go to bed ? :)

Wait, don't answer that :-)

networkn:

4x faster in what regard? We have never seen a generation of computing that is 4x as fast as the prior generation.

I usually buy both consoles to cover my bases (I like exclusives on both platforms though more so for Sony and prefer their controller), and I will probably do so again this generation, but I am thinking Sony will find a way to trump them.

The whole thing with gaming, is FPS ultimately. Current gen can handle between 45-60FPS relatively often, and really, 60-90 is usually more than enough. I guess you could talk about quality improvements, at the same frame rate, but so long as you are hitting the frame rates, all the CPU, GPU etc in the world isn't really doing much for the average gamer. 

networkn:

The whole thing with gaming, is FPS ultimately. Current gen can handle between 45-60FPS relatively often, and really, 60-90 is usually more than enough. I guess you could talk about quality improvements, at the same frame rate, but so long as you are hitting the frame rates, all the CPU, GPU etc in the world isn't really doing much for the average gamer. 

 

SpartanVXL: Exactly, 60Hz panels are the most common (1080/4k doesnt really matter). This will be what devs will target now that they have a cpu that can handle it. As the resolution goes up, again the fps will go down as devs target image quality over framerate, especially true for 8k. This has always been the case and I don’t imagine it to change. Its cool that xbox “support” the outputs for higher refresh but whether it will be used properly is another matter.

I get you now, and yeah I imagine that will be the case for the majority. I would hope with the amount of mid-range upwards panels capable of 100hz+, and tech like VRR/FreeSync making it into the market, they start moving away from locked frame-rate engines, or at least offer a few performance vs graphics modes like 1X. But we will see how that hope pans out haha.

I guess we might see mostly online low intensity graphics FPS shooters capable of up to 120fps, given their popularity.

networkn:

 

xpd:

 

Nice to have, but think I need to step away from gaming and start doing more outdoors stuff for my health and kids :)

 

 

 

 

What you going to do in the evenings after they go to bed ? :)

 

Wait, don't answer that :-)

 

He has already answered it, he needs to do more outdoors "stuff" for his "health". And "kids"... we all know how they are made