The router guide - what to look for and what is best.

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#2903393 18-Apr-2022 09:35

michaelmurfy:

@fe31nz I no-longer recommend the Ubiquiti Edgerouter at all given Ubiquiti has abandoned it.

Would you put OpenWRT on an Edgerouter?

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#2903502 18-Apr-2022 15:47

You have to expect performance drops since openWRT doesn‘t use the offloading hardware of the EdgeRouter.

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#2903585 18-Apr-2022 22:58

OpenWRT does use hardware offloading on lots of devices. For example, OpenWRT on my Linksys WRT1900ac uses a binary blob provided by someone (the chipset manufacturer or Linksys) and seems to have full access to the available offloading capabilities. So if such support is available for the Cavium chipset used the the ER4, then OpenWRT is likely to support offloading at some point, even if it does not already. I had a quick look at the ER4 OpenWRT page and it did not seem to say either way, but I am sure that if you read the associated OpenWRT forum pages someone there will know. I certainly would not recommend anyone using OpenWRT on a router where there was not offloading support, as the throughput would be dismal. OpenWRT is a pretty good system for a router if you do have offloading support.

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#2905047 21-Apr-2022 18:47

So, after years of rocking the ERLite, I am looking for a change due to lack of security updates and the fact Ubiquiti have seemly decided to ignore the EdgeMAX gear. Now this is where I get stuck..

I am tossing up between 3 options:
1) Replace it with a hAP AC3 / RB5009
2) Purpose built miniPC with pfSense or OPNsense (similar to one in video on last page)
3) OpenWRT onto the existing EdgeRouter

The cost conscious side of me is leaning towards option 3, however I would really rather option 1 or 2, but cannot figure out for the life of me which.

Connection is 2deg 900/400, not overly complex setup, however do have multiple VLANs, and S/DNAT rules.

Any input would be appreciated, it will certainly assist me in deciding.

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#2905048 21-Apr-2022 18:51

@evilonenz Mikrotik will be your best bet for Gigabit if you don't mind learning. I find it is more flexible than EdgeOS.

I'm actually considering building a PFSense box but there is the problem with single-threaded PPPoE on FreeBSD firewalls that can slow performance plus increased power use compared to a dedicated router with full packet offloading.

OpenWRT - I've tried this, you won't get Gigabit performance I'm afraid.

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#2905056 21-Apr-2022 19:07

Following the discussion - what’s the Mikrotik equivalent of the UDM Pro? As a router that is.

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#2905057 21-Apr-2022 19:11

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#2905435 22-Apr-2022 16:18

On the RB5009, it appears that the 2.5G ethernet port is also the POE in port. Does that mean if you connected a POE switch to that port, then it would act as the data link to the switch and also power the router?

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#2905446 22-Apr-2022 16:32

Here’s a question for those who’ve been playing with mesh wifi a lot more and more recently than me.

Background… about 7 years ago, I set up wifi at a missionary organization in the Philippines. I used OpenMesh gear as I was quite familiar with it and had some on hand. One of the key features, is that I can entirely manage it from NZ.

It’s now pretty old tech and one of the units has died, so I’m considering what to replace the setup with. It’s a large 2-storey concrete building with solid internal walls and has cabling to two good locations downstairs and one upstairs, which acts as a wireless link to two others upstairs.

Can’t be too exy but hoping there’s something 802.11ax space that offers mesh and if easy to manage from here. Router is supplied by the ISP btw.

Thanks.

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#2905447 22-Apr-2022 16:33

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#2905454 22-Apr-2022 16:48

fritzman: Here’s a question for those who’ve been playing with mesh wifi a lot more and more recently than me.

Background… about 7 years ago, I set up wifi at a missionary organization in the Philippines. I used OpenMesh gear as I was quite familiar with it and had some on hand. One of the key features, is that I can entirely manage it from NZ.

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Can’t be too exy but hoping there’s something 802.11ax space that offers mesh and if easy to manage from here. Router is supplied by the ISP btw.

Thanks.

Maybe some of the TP-link Omada gear? You would need a couple of AP's and a hardware controller (unless the place has a server that runs 24/7 and can run the software controller). They offer a cloud interface to the hardware/software controller and give full control over the network. Could also add a few Omada switches or an omada router if you want full control of the network.

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#2905554 23-Apr-2022 00:42

@fritzman I've got the Grandstream GWN7664. Has free web management (GWN Cloud) and the product is actually pretty good for the price.

Have a look at the GWN7660 - https://www.gowifi.co.nz/grandstreamnetworks/gwn7660.html

To provision it to the cloud portal all you need to do is get the serial number + mac addresses off the access points (get whoever is overseas to send this to you) then plug them into standard PoE. From there you can configure, software update etc remotely from NZ.

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#2905556 23-Apr-2022 02:30

evilonenz: So, after years of rocking the ERLite, I am looking for a change due to lack of security updates and the fact Ubiquiti have seemly decided to ignore the EdgeMAX gear. Now this is where I get stuck..

I am tossing up between 3 options:
1) Replace it with a hAP AC3 / RB5009
2) Purpose built miniPC with pfSense or OPNsense (similar to one in video on last page)
3) OpenWRT onto the existing EdgeRouter

The cost conscious side of me is leaning towards option 3, however I would really rather option 1 or 2, but cannot figure out for the life of me which.

Connection is 2deg 900/400, not overly complex setup, however do have multiple VLANs, and S/DNAT rules.

Any input would be appreciated, it will certainly assist me in deciding.

regarding 2) Have you considered VyOS? (Debian?) Linux based will do all the VLANs and NAT rules you want. You can get it for free by contributing to the documentation or compiling it yourself.

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#2905558 23-Apr-2022 05:58

Some people just need a little longer to get off their horse :-))

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#2905588 23-Apr-2022 09:35

Kiwifruta:
evilonenz: So, after years of rocking the ERLite, I am looking for a change due to lack of security updates and the fact Ubiquiti have seemly decided to ignore the EdgeMAX gear. Now this is where I get stuck..

I am tossing up between 3 options:
1) Replace it with a hAP AC3 / RB5009
2) Purpose built miniPC with pfSense or OPNsense (similar to one in video on last page)
3) OpenWRT onto the existing EdgeRouter

The cost conscious side of me is leaning towards option 3, however I would really rather option 1 or 2, but cannot figure out for the life of me which.

Connection is 2deg 900/400, not overly complex setup, however do have multiple VLANs, and S/DNAT rules.

Any input would be appreciated, it will certainly assist me in deciding.

regarding 2) Have you considered VyOS? (Debian?) Linux based will do all the VLANs and NAT rules you want. You can get it for free by contributing to the documentation or compiling it yourself.

Looks like a great solution at a great price.
Thanks.

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