Home cabling Refit - where to buy etc

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#521647 15-Sep-2011 19:49

Those are good prices! Good to hear you arent using amdex. I cant stress how horrible they are. Got nothing bad to say about dynamix.

In terms of mounting...
I prefer horizontal too but that looks a5s when they are next to vertical power. Is the keystone adapter actually fixed to the wall plate? As with PDL (as most will know) you can orientate the mech what ever you want by just popping out the keystone adapter.

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#521649 15-Sep-2011 19:50

richms: If ever you want to start pushing HDMI from a central mysky etc to TVs, that will also be best done now if you can. Even if you just get the wires thru. 2 for HDMI, one for networking, one for IR/whatever gives you 4 to each TV. You can do it on less if you spend more on the gear, there is a single cable HDMI, ethernet, IR and something else solution but its close to a grand, and specs cat-6a for the cable.

I run HDMI/Ir extender through one cat 6. Very small unit and only about $120ish from computer dynamics.

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#521655 15-Sep-2011 20:14

chevrolux:
I run HDMI/Ir extender through one cat 6. Very small unit and only about $120ish from computer dynamics.

Do you have a link?

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#521659 15-Sep-2011 20:21

http://www.cdlnz.com/index.html?do=viewproduct&p=HDMI400&code=HDMIC6R-IP

Havent used any of the rs232 or switching capabilities but works great for displaying stuff from the media pc

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#521661 15-Sep-2011 20:23

"Is the keystone adapter actually fixed to the wall plate?"

Not sure, will tell you when they arrive, hopefully tommorrow. I only know that the jacks are separate, not sure what the mechanism for attatching them to the plate is on the dynamix ones yet.

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#521673 15-Sep-2011 20:50

Also i managed to get the cover off the ETP today, managed to figure out all the cabling after a while.
Turns out the house had 4 lines at one point hence 2 incoming cables.

The 2nd line is attached to the cable that goes to the DSL jackpoint ( There is another jackpoint next to it that used to be for the 2nd line) then there are another 2 lines that are unused and just hanging around in there.
See Picutre: Telecom ETP

What should i be using to connect the new cat5 cable to the splitter and line1?
Gel filled joiners or IDC punchdown blocks ?

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#521764 16-Sep-2011 08:05

Hi, would not change anything, there is no advantage in moving to a cat5e cable in this case, I take it the line from the demarc to the DSL socket is 10m or so, then I dont see much advantage in changing it, what is important is that the pair that does to the DSL socket and nowhere else, ie a clean uncut or tapped pair.

What stats does your modem report?

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#521822 16-Sep-2011 10:27

Line Stats:

Downstream:
SNR -12.3
Attenuation - 11.5
Power 18.5
Attainable Rate (Kbps) - 19548
Rate - 16264

Upstream:
SNR -13.1
Attenuation - 5.6
Power 12.4
Attainable Rate (Kbps) - 1013
Rate - 1029

Speed test result:https://www.speedtest.net/result/1485105609.png

Very happy with the quality of internet , virtually no dropouts and pretty quick.
The cable to the DSL jack is OK no taps or joins just straight to the jack.

However i was planning on moving the DSL jack as i intended to move the wireless modem router to a more central location and I am pretty sure the existing cable will not reach.
Also the other line going into the house which has the voice side of the splitter attached to it is pretty bad.
About 2m under the house it is scotchloked to another cable:

Then it goes another 5M and is scotchlokd to all the voice jacks in the house:

Also i was planning on wiring it centrally to the patch panel so i could switch in and out jacks to phone and data.

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#521825 16-Sep-2011 10:30

chevrolux: http://www.cdlnz.com/index.html?do=viewproduct&p=HDMI400&code=HDMIC6R-IP

Havent used any of the rs232 or switching capabilities but works great for displaying stuff from the media pc

You sure its $120 because I was quoted about $900 for what I think was the same product in different clothes.

Richard rich.ms

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#521895 16-Sep-2011 12:20

Thats all the money the boss got lol. And he is a tight a5s so he wouldnt have mucked it up that badly.

Your phone wiring....
I know there is know advantage in running a new cable to the etp but me being the tidy cable freak I am would just run a new one anyway instead of swinging your current dsl jack over to the cupboard.
Run a new one to the etp and pull ALL the old stuff out. Just makes it so much tidier and it will be easier to put away in the etp.

Just use 2/3 port gel joiners (scotch locks) in the etp.

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#521966 16-Sep-2011 14:16

chevrolux: Thats all the money the boss got lol. And he is a tight a5s so he wouldnt have mucked it up that badly.

Gonna have to find someone with an account there again. Everyone I knew has gone to australia to work :(

Richard rich.ms

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#522764 18-Sep-2011 21:24

Ok few more questions:

1. Is there any disadvantage to running the voice and dsl lines from the ETP to the patch panel? mainly will it affect performance of the modem if the dsl line runs into the patch panel then is patched to an RJ45 wall jack which in turns connects to the modem?

2. Any reccomendations on Punchdown tools, the one i got for cheap is pretty rubbish after a few tests today. I have one of these
Looking at one of these.

3. What are the recommendations on Cable labelling? Same at both ends? what is the best way to write on the cables?

4. When punching down the phone line onto 3-4 patch panel ports, what is the way to go about this? extend the existing cat5e cables blue and white pair by stripping back lots of its insulation? Use a new piece of cable just blue white pair? Do the twists need to stay between the punchdown blocks?

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#522773 18-Sep-2011 21:55

richms:
chevrolux: http://www.cdlnz.com/index.html?do=viewproduct&p=HDMI400&code=HDMIC6R-IP

Havent used any of the rs232 or switching capabilities but works great for displaying stuff from the media pc

You sure its $120 because I was quoted about $900 for what I think was the same product in different clothes.

Just had a look now the wholesale rate for the transmitter is just under $130 + GST+ Freight and the receiver $160 + GST+ Freight

So all up If I were selling it to a client you would be looking at $400 for both the receiver & transmitter. Cat5e HDMI 1.3

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#522968 19-Sep-2011 12:11

1. DSL and voice will no be affected at all when run in the same cable.

2. That first tool is a krone tool and will not work on the dynamix modules. You need a 110 tool which is the second link you posted. I dont use a spring loaded tool any more as I got sick of stabbing myself when terminating jacks. I only use on of these (http://images.priceme.co.nz/Images/RetailerProductImages/StRetailer564/ctstrutp5006067_m.jpg). Doubles as a stripper and termination tool. Stripping wise; first notch is cat 6, second cat 5e. Lay the wire in the jack. Push down with tool. Trim legs with side cutters. Just as fast as the spring loaded punch down but no chance of the tool pulling the wire back up (a common problem with spring loaded tools). AND they are extremely cheap lol. I even use these on patch panels now. Its just so easy.

3. Labeling. 01-24. Same at both ends. No confusion.

4. Yea just strip back lots of insulation. I will dismantle my panel tonight and show you my data and voice tie panels.

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#523234 19-Sep-2011 20:35

hazza87: Ok few more questions:

1. Is there any disadvantage to running the voice and dsl lines from the ETP to the patch panel? mainly will it affect performance of the modem if the dsl line runs into the patch panel then is patched to an RJ45 wall jack which in turns connects to the modem?

2. Any reccomendations on Punchdown tools, the one i got for cheap is pretty rubbish after a few tests today. I have one of these
Looking at one of these.

3. What are the recommendations on Cable labelling? Same at both ends? what is the best way to write on the cables?

4. When punching down the phone line onto 3-4 patch panel ports, what is the way to go about this? extend the existing cat5e cables blue and white pair by stripping back lots of its insulation? Use a new piece of cable just blue white pair? Do the twists need to stay between the punchdown blocks?

Whats the point connecting DSL signal to a jackpoint if you already have a patch panel? Connect DSL to the modem at the patch panel and feed ethernet to the jack points from the modem via the patch panel. If you need to connect too many computers at your original modem jackpoint, then maybe you can do this later if you run extra Cat5e cables out to new outlets oneday.

Your punchdown tool is fine, but the one you wer looking at is quite good for the 110 punchdowns used by Cat5e jackpoints.

Cables best to be labeled same at both ends, with the numbers matching the patch panel numbers.

If you need to common 3-4 ports for phone service that you can patch the outlets into, maybe you can have a port from the ETP patched into the common strip. or put a plug on the end of the blue/white pair that joins them all, so that you can avoid having more than one wire punched into each slot. I reckon best way is make a loopback plug so that joins ETP on pair 1 to the common ports on pair 5 (brown) so that you can still test the ETP directly but also not waste the ports.

Time to find a new industry!

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