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mushtac

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#102957 26-May-2012 20:54

If my company gets a 50Mbps fibre internet connection will it improve the speed of international websites? How does fibre compare to normal ADSL on international sites? I'm assuming that the TELCO will throttle the speed to international servers depending on the plan/contract/charge?

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#630867 26-May-2012 21:38

That is a pretty hard question to answer without knowing much about the current adsl connection, to put it simply, If your ADSL connection is the limiting factor when accessing international websites then yes fibre will help, but if you have a good adsl2+ connection then you may well see little change if your connection is limited by ISP international bandwidth or some other factor not related to what type of connection you have. Even if you had a good ADSL2+ connection I would have thought you would at least a small improvement.
The Telco wont necessarily, throttle, but like any ISP there will be a contention ratio on International bandwidth, as you said it will vary depending on plan etc.

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#630894 27-May-2012 00:23

No/maybe. Theres issues with TCP and international sites due to latency/window sizes..

See http://www.fruitbowl.co.nz/infrastructure/fibre-to-the-home-is-not-enough/ and http://dts.net.nz/blog/why-are-your-international-speeds-slower-than-national/

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#630911 27-May-2012 09:30

mushtac: If my company gets a 50Mbps fibre internet connection will it improve the speed of international websites? How does fibre compare to normal ADSL on international sites? I'm assuming that the TELCO will throttle the speed to international servers depending on the plan/contract/charge?

TCP issues aside nobody on here can answer that question for you. Why? Because international bandwidth is going to depend entirely on your ISP and their available bawidth, and more importantly how much you're willing to pay them for the service.

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#630914 27-May-2012 09:59

mushtac: If my company gets a 50Mbps fibre internet connection will it improve the speed of international websites? How does fibre compare to normal ADSL on international sites? I'm assuming that the TELCO will throttle the speed to international servers depending on the plan/contract/charge?

You should ask the telco about their policies about when 50mbps fibre is better.

Some Business Internet connections bypass the massmarket aggregation systems, and connect directly to the closest point before going on to the Internet. Then you dont contend with all that residential traffic - but again, each ISP is different, so ASK. and whatever they state as fact - get it in writing.

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#630934 27-May-2012 11:01

International is near impossible to predict as it depends on the latency to the site, their load and their access to transit bandwidth too. TCP will be a limiting factor no matter what.

Usually ISPs charge a cheaper rate for national and more expensive for international if you want flat rate (or charges based on usage). E.g. with Orcon we get unlimited national bandwidth at whatever speed our connection is (e.g. we have 1x 100mbps connection and 1x 1gbps connection). We pay $1000 a month for 10mbps flat rate international which is pretty quick.

Your cost increase of switching from ADSL to fibre will be massive unless its UFB. But in saying that if you are considering it what size company have you got? Sounds like you have a decent budget in which case you are likely larger/have high requirements in which case a residential grade ADSL service isn't going to cut it for other reasons.

BTW have you tried Google Chrome as your web browser as that will speed up international sites as it loads a heap of connections which help get around TCP bottlenecks.

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mushtac

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#631040 27-May-2012 15:46

Thanks for the great info everyone.
Fibre Monthly Rental: 50Mbps/unlimited national traffic and 100GB international data, bandwidth of the fibre circuit is 50Mbps National and 1Mbps min and 5Mbps max international.

I think the best approach is to see how this meets our requirements before going back to ISP for tweaking, I might have to find a local email exchange service as current email exchange is hosted in Texas.

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#631083 27-May-2012 17:47

mushtac: Thanks for the great info everyone.
Fibre Monthly Rental: 50Mbps/unlimited national traffic and 100GB international data, bandwidth of the fibre circuit is 50Mbps National and 1Mbps min and 5Mbps max international.

I think the best approach is to see how this meets our requirements before going back to ISP for tweaking, I might have to find a local email exchange service as current email exchange is hosted in Texas.

Getting a local email provider sounds like a far cheaper and more reliable alternative than investing in fibre if this is the only problem?

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#631242 27-May-2012 22:44

The fibre is mainly for 5 creatives working on advertising, online media & social media for international brands. Also 3-4 executives who are heavy on email & multiple wireless devices, main requirement is international internet traffic.

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#631243 27-May-2012 22:47

mushtac: The fibre is mainly for 5 creatives working on advertising, online media & social media for international brands. Also 3-4 executives who are heavy on email & multiple wireless devices, main requirement is international internet traffic.

You may be better to go with VDSL2 with a business grade ISP like Unleash or DTS. If you are near the cabinet/Exchange you should get around 40mbps down and 10mbps up. The connection itself will be around $100 and you can use the rest to build up your data requirements - by the sounds of it your better to go per GB than flat rate. Both of those ISPs will offer international on a per GB basis up to line speed (40mbps).

You should also look to shift your email to an NZ provider as it will speed up performance and delivery times.

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mushtac

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#631264 27-May-2012 23:29

Location is Shortland Street, Auckland CBD. Thanks for your time Zeon.

mushtac

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#632153 29-May-2012 18:46

Will a DRAYTEK Vigor 2130n connected to a unmanaged CISCO 16-port gigabit switch give me good throughput for LAN & wifi?

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#632306 29-May-2012 22:46

mushtac: Will a DRAYTEK Vigor 2130n connected to a unmanaged CISCO 16-port gigabit switch give me good throughput for LAN & wifi?

Ah Shortland street - unfortunately there is no VDSL2 in the CBD although ADSL2+ is available (which I presume you already have). Also jumped to conclusion around fibre - you may have Citylink available and if your building is already lit its actually quite cheap no matter the ISP providing service over it.

In regards to the router it should work fine although it doesn't have a modem so if you were to have DSL you would need to match it with a Draytek Vigor 120 for DSL to ethernet bridging. My suggestion would be to look at PFsense which will give you a lot more and as its software based will be cheaper. Any old computer will work but I'd suggest you probably want at least 2ghz p4 or above if you want to run VPN at 50mbps and server grade hardware for better reliability long term.

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mushtac

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#632750 30-May-2012 17:20

Already have a fibre connection, have a TP-LINK wirelessN gigabit routher connected to fibre media converter but throughput is very low on gigabit port & wireless isn't much better. Hoping the DrayTek Vigor 2130n will get me closer to the 48Mbps I'm getting at the fibre media converter. Can anyone comment on the throughput & firewall of the DrayTek Vigor 2130n? Does it have a setup/connection wizard?

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#632769 30-May-2012 17:47

mushtac: Thanks for the great info everyone.
Fibre Monthly Rental: 50Mbps/unlimited national traffic and 100GB international data, bandwidth of the fibre circuit is 50Mbps National and 1Mbps min and 5Mbps max international.

I think the best approach is to see how this meets our requirements before going back to ISP for tweaking, I might have to find a local email exchange service as current email exchange is hosted in Texas.

Based on this data, this 50Mbps fibre connection will probably give WORSE performance on some international sites than ADSL2+ from a good ISP.

Cheers - N

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mushtac

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#632775 30-May-2012 17:59

Talkiet:
mushtac: Thanks for the great info everyone.
Fibre Monthly Rental: 50Mbps/unlimited national traffic and 100GB international data, bandwidth of the fibre circuit is 50Mbps National and 1Mbps min and 5Mbps max international.

I think the best approach is to see how this meets our requirements before going back to ISP for tweaking, I might have to find a local email exchange service as current email exchange is hosted in Texas.

Based on this data, this 50Mbps fibre connection will probably give WORSE performance on some international sites than ADSL2+ from a good ISP.

Cheers - N

I thought this might be the case Talkiet, is the international bandwidth a bum deal when ADSL2+ could out perform the international bandwidth of fibre at a far lower cost per GB?

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