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Topic # 125718 17-Jul-2013 10:28
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Guys, saw this from pcworld and this is good news for those who are not able to get fibre right away:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2044468/gigabitboosted-dsl-internet-standard-could-be-ready-in-2014-itu-says.html

according to this, users should be easily to install so I would assume this is just like a modem or router. but yeah, technology is coming with coppper wires as well. :-)


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  Reply # 857942 17-Jul-2013 10:40
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Looks like that would solve the fibre to the home issue - still need fibre in the street though.

Would be a good fit for solving the residential install issues though - I think there had been some pretty intensive thinking about whether it was possible/viable to have the last bit of the connection running over copper - well maybe it is..




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  Reply # 857950 17-Jul-2013 10:57
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Hmm, only intended for use up to 100 metres. Hands up everyone who's less than 100m from their cabinet? :)


EDIT: Ah, was reading another article on it.  The press release says 250M.  And that the technology may also be applicable to VDSL... interesting.

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  Reply # 857971 17-Jul-2013 11:41
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It definitely doesnt appear to be a replacement for fibre/VDSL etc, but I can see it being a great solution for actually getting your house hooked up without digging up driveways etc.

The cost of connecting to the home is HUGE and the bit they seem to have not factored into the equation for the UFB rollout.




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  Reply # 857985 17-Jul-2013 12:06
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This story is proof of everything that is wrong with many tech stories today. A press release rehashed into a "story" and written by somebody who clearly doesn't have a clue in the world what they're actually talking about.

The standard is G.9700 for those who want to know more, and uses spectrum all the way up to 212Mhz vs 17Mhz for a 17a VDSL2 profile today. Considering the requirements for the technology any talk of self installs is pretty much rubbish. A trunk roll will be required in the same way it is to ensure the best performance from a xDSL install today.


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  Reply # 857987 17-Jul-2013 12:10
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robjg63: 

The cost of connecting to the home is HUGE and the bit they seem to have not factored into the equation for the UFB rollout.


The cost was factored in. It's just a little higher at present than what was envisaged - the higher side of $3k for many installs rather than the lower side.

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  Reply # 857989 17-Jul-2013 12:15
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Hahahaha imagine a 50-pair full of these. Performance would not be the gigabit they say.

Load of bullocks. Wont happen in NZ. Fibre is the future and is essentially capable of 'unlimited' speeds.

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  Reply # 858196 17-Jul-2013 17:31
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WOW 1Gbps over 250m!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (tested at 1.1Gbps over 70m and 800Mbps over 100m)


I can't get VDSL and ASDL2 doesnt add any value for me as i'm too far away from the exchange (or cabinet) for either technology.

If the requirement is 250 meters, i can see this working well for maybe 1 or 2 properties away from the cabinet, and being next to useless for everyone else.

Maybe its good for wiring up an apartment building, or an office block. Probably not much use elsewhere.

Move along, nothing to see here.




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  Reply # 858197 17-Jul-2013 17:32
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In some exchanges 250m is how long the cable needs to run before leaving the building...

As above, pretty useless even on cabinets.




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  Reply # 858233 17-Jul-2013 18:19
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Have to remember however that Fibre is capable to multi gigabit right now, and likely more in the future, so yes, while they keep getting more and more out of the technology, fibre has a lot more future potential, and without the same distance limitations.




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  Reply # 858252 17-Jul-2013 18:45
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Useful for apartment buildings perhaps? To the home it doesn't look very viable.





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  Reply # 858260 17-Jul-2013 19:06
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Still struggling to use my 15Mb/s DSL2+, would be nice to have good upstream from VDSL2 but dunno what i would do with GigE at home.

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  Reply # 862597 20-Jul-2013 14:41
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ajobbins: Have to remember however that Fibre is capable to multi gigabit right now, and likely more in the future, so yes, while they keep getting more and more out of the technology, fibre has a lot more future potential, and without the same distance limitations.

Single mode fibre (the type used for fibre to the home) is already cabable of 100Gbps Ethernet without needing an external multiplexer, if you are made of money and are able to get dark fibre from chorus. Sure most homes don't need more than the 50mbps plans being sold, but why spend huge amounts of money upgrading old technology for incremental improvements that are even more limited than VDSL2, when you could put in a connection that will take care of the next 20 years, be more consistently reliable and be far cheaper to maintain and upgrade.

I just wish composite fibre had been installed (with power wires) to keep the connection powered from the exchange, the Achilles heel is that metro fibre doesn't carry a power supply.

EDIT: Wouldn't trust apartment copper cabling for a high speed connection, its not usually setup for gigabit. Thats why chorus have to run fibre to individual apartments even though some of them have cat5e cable.




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  Reply # 862620 20-Jul-2013 15:24
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webwat:EDIT: Wouldn't trust apartment copper cabling for a high speed connection, its not usually setup for gigabit. Thats why chorus have to run fibre to individual apartments even though some of them have cat5e cable.


The main reason fibre and ONT is required at every apartment is that any future service upgrades (such as ONT's with RF over fibre) wouldn't be able able to be deployed.


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  Reply # 862633 20-Jul-2013 15:56
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webwat:EDIT: Wouldn't trust apartment copper cabling for a high speed connection, its not usually setup for gigabit. Thats why chorus have to run fibre to individual apartments even though some of them have cat5e cable.


The main reason fibre and ONT is required at every apartment is that any future service upgrades (such as ONT's with RF over fibre) wouldn't be able able to be deployed.



I still struggle with that, is that not what the buildings MATV system is for. Pulling fibre to each apartment that already has suitable RF reticulatation is crazy. I can see a lot of building owners telling chorus etal to shove it. I also don't accept that buildings have sub standard cat5e runs to each apartment, yes some older ones do, but most newer ones have at least one full four pair cat5e run to the comms room, yes many currently share that with voice/pots but if I were getting GigE fibre to my apartment I might suggest I would have out grown Telecoms NEAX and selected a VOIP solution like most ISPs do, except of course Telecom.

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  Reply # 862635 20-Jul-2013 16:00
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webwat:EDIT: Wouldn't trust apartment copper cabling for a high speed connection, its not usually setup for gigabit. Thats why chorus have to run fibre to individual apartments even though some of them have cat5e cable.


The main reason fibre and ONT is required at every apartment is that any future service upgrades (such as ONT's with RF over fibre) wouldn't be able able to be deployed.



I still struggle with that, is that not what the buildings MATV system is for. Pulling fibre to each apartment that already has suitable RF reticulatation is crazy. I can see a lot of building owners telling chorus etal to shove it. I also don't accept that buildings have sub standard cat5e runs to each apartment, yes some older ones do, but most newer ones have at least one full four pair cat5e run to the comms room, yes many currently share that with voice/pots but if I were getting GigE fibre to my apartment I might suggest I would have out grown Telecoms NEAX and selected a VOIP solution like most ISPs do, except of course Telecom.

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There are two brand new (ie finished within the last 12 months) reasonably sized apartment buildings in Wgtn I've looked at recently that both have cat5e from each apartment to a the riser on each floor where there is a 25pr cat3 cable to the comms room. It's quite remarkable that this is still occuring.


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