Opinion on DrayTek 130 couple with EdgeMax?

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watsonash

91 posts

Master Geek

#142811 25-Mar-2014 13:18

Hi, I'm currently in an ADSL only location. I'm looking to refresh my routing infrastructure.
In terms of modems that can handle ADSL and VDSL, is the Draytek 130 still considered the best out there for bridge mode?
Currently my routing is happening on a Vyatta 6.6 virtual machine running under VMware workstation as a512Mb/1vCPU - and this is running nicely.
I'm considering a move to a hardware based solution and see the Ubiquiti EdgeMAX has a really excellent feature set and it appears to be based on a fork of Vyatta - so the config would be straightforward in my situation.
Has anyone used an EdgeMAX router in conjunction with a Draytek 130?

cheers

chevrolux

4962 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user

#1012806 25-Mar-2014 22:22

Haven't used the DV130 with an EdgeRouter yet but have used a few of them with a mix of xDSL (mix of Draytek 120 and Zyxel P870) and Ethernet WAN.

Good little router. Just expect to do the majority of the config on the CLI. Even a standard PPPoE interface has to be done on the CLI. The web GUI is really on for the very very basic stuff.

Feature set is quite good but Mikrotik is still a quite a bit better for the slightly higher price (although they are quite close in price). Can't comment on how similar it is with your routing platform - haven't used it. I would of thought though that a software based routing solution would have far more features than the little EdgeRouter. pfSense is certainly a much more capable system than the Edgerouter for example.

Ragnor

8218 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

#1012846 26-Mar-2014 05:15

Draytek 120 (ADSL) is about $90 and Draytek 130 (VDSL and ADSL) is about $150.

Both models have the PPPoA to PPPoE relay/passthrough feature for "bridging" PPPoA ADSL2+ allowing your main routers WAN to use PPPoE and control the connection.

The 130 had some early problems with bridging PPPoE VDSL2 but it was solved in recent firmware.

Personally if you're on ADSL now and you don't know when you're going to go to VDSL I would just get the 120 and save yourself the $60.

Also there are lots of modems that can bridge PPPoE unlike the limited amount of modems that could half bridge/ip extension/relay/passthrough PPPoA.

watsonash

91 posts

Master Geek

#1013147 26-Mar-2014 13:32

thanks guys, to future proof me a little (in-case I move to an area with VDSL or better), I went for the DrayTek 130. Configured this earlier today in bridge mode and the PPPoE side of things handled by the virtual Vyatta router - it works a charm and I'm seeing excellent performance (as good or better than the old hg556a) - which is surprising as it's just running as a VMware workstation VM with 0.5GB ram and 1x virtual cpu.
So for now I'm probably going to hang out on the virtual router and look at some of these devices you guys suggest.. and I am finally able to say goodbye to the old hg556a - which is a little sad as she had been a reliable little thing but looking a little too much like beige after her hard life ;-)
In terms of the Vyatta stuff, I may switch to the VyOS (same config style) as the Vyatta takeover by Brocade seems to have stalled the development of Vyatta CE.

nigelj

856 posts

Ultimate Geek

#1013193 26-Mar-2014 14:17

watsonash:
Has anyone used an EdgeMAX router in conjunction with a Draytek 130?

Yes!

It's a really nice pairing, as highlighted earlier EdgeMAX doesn't expose PPPoE client settings via the WebUI (even though PPPoE server settings are), my quick config is as follows:

njones@router# show interfaces ethernet eth0 pppoe
pppoe 0 {
default-route auto
firewall {
in {
name pppoein
}
local {
name pppoein
}
out {
modify pppoeout
}
}
mtu 1492
name-server auto
password apples
user-id user@xtrabb.co.nz
}

Firewall:

njones@router# show firewall name pppoein
default-action drop
rule 1 {
action accept
protocol all
state {
established enable
related enable
}
}

njones@router# show firewall modify pppoeout
rule 1 {
action modify
modify {
tcp-mss 1452
}
protocol tcp
tcp {
flags SYN
}
}

Lastly for NAT:

services nat {
rule 5000 {
log disable
outbound-interface pppoe0
protocol all
type masquerade
}

Seems to work, has survived a couple of reboots/redials/etc when I was testing that all was A-OK so yeah, it's a great combo.

Aredwood

3885 posts

Uber Geek

#1013473 26-Mar-2014 22:26

The latest version of Edge OS (firmware in the edge routers) has setup wizards that allow you to do the inital PPPoE, NAT and firewall setup to get you going. Only it doesn't have a GUI option yet for VLAN tagging. - Needed for VDSL and fibre connections.

I have an Edge Router Lite running on a Snap 100/50 fibre connection. So far connection has been very solid. (and fast) Had to ask on the ubiquity forums for how to do the VLAN tagging. But now I know how could easily do it again. Was the first time I had to do any command line config on any router.

Here is my thread on the ubiquity forums in case anyone else needs to do the same.

http://community.ubnt.com/t5/EdgeMAX/Need-to-add-VLAN-tags-to-PPPoE-Traffic/m-p/758220

chevrolux

4962 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user

#1013595 27-Mar-2014 08:19

Yea although you have to do the config on the CLI atleast they have had the sense to put in auto-completion. Makes things easier when you just can't quite remember. Probably no help if you haven't worked on a CLI before though.

watsonash

91 posts

Master Geek

#1013831 27-Mar-2014 12:50

great information here! A quick question - while I was moving kit around last night, I reset the power to the Draytek 130 and the Vyatta VM needed to be restarted for it to re-connect. Is there some setting on the PPPoE side of things under Vyatta/EdgeMax to allow it to reconnect automatically?
Has anyone come across this issue?

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nigelj

856 posts

Ultimate Geek

#1013835 27-Mar-2014 12:55

watsonash: great information here! A quick question - while I was moving kit around last night, I reset the power to the Draytek 130 and the Vyatta VM needed to be restarted for it to re-connect. Is there some setting on the PPPoE side of things under Vyatta/EdgeMax to allow it to reconnect automatically?
Has anyone come across this issue?

As far as I've seen, EdgeRouter's PPPoE client auto-redials fine, (I'm pretty sure I've done that as a test, drop the Draytek's power/network etc). I'll give it a test in an hour or two just to confirm though if you want.

nigelj

856 posts

Ultimate Geek

#1016899 1-Apr-2014 22:54

nigelj:
watsonash: great information here! A quick question - while I was moving kit around last night, I reset the power to the Draytek 130 and the Vyatta VM needed to be restarted for it to re-connect. Is there some setting on the PPPoE side of things under Vyatta/EdgeMax to allow it to reconnect automatically?
Has anyone come across this issue?

As far as I've seen, EdgeRouter's PPPoE client auto-redials fine, (I'm pretty sure I've done that as a test, drop the Draytek's power/network etc). I'll give it a test in an hour or two just to confirm though if you want.

Sorry, only just got around to testing it, it seems that if the PPPoE packets disappear on the ethernet link then the PPP dialer goes in a LCP ConfReq loop until HUP'ed, even if the PPP packets resume, seems like a bug one way or another, but I'll need to test it further.

Either way, for now I'm okay with a kill -HUP.

watsonash

91 posts

Master Geek

#1016945 2-Apr-2014 07:27

Sorry, only just got around to testing it, it seems that if the PPPoE packets disappear on the ethernet link then the PPP dialer goes in a LCP ConfReq loop until HUP'ed, even if the PPP packets resume, seems like a bug one way or another, but I'll need to test it further.

Either way, for now I'm okay with a kill -HUP.

thanks. I found this on an old Vyatta forum - http://www.vyatta.org/node/1073 it checks the status of PPPoE as part of a cron job and then issues a reconnect if its down - I might see if I can rework something like that into VC6.6R1. It would be great to get a better method from UBNT.
I've just grabbed a UBNT UAP-LP access point. I'm hoping the grab an EdgeMax in the next couple of months depending on how everything else goes.