Home Enclosures - switches, power, UPS, etc

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#159994 19-Dec-2014 13:43

I've been looking at these home enclosures for network distribution.

I'm thinking about a 16 port GigE switch (since I seem to be sitting at about 7 before anything has expanded) - with a possible use for a 4 port 10/100 poe cable switch for a couple of cameras and maybe a wireless ap.

Initially it'll be ADSL with a Modem (tp link 8840) and Gateway wireless router (wr1043nd) with the 16 port switch hanging off the gateway. Later on I'd like to replace the Modem with whatever is needed for fibre (is that just a swap out of the modem?)

The dynamix 18" I would have thought would hold all this, would that be a fairly correct assumption?

I'd like to put a UPS in the bottom - I see dynamix list a couple a PB100 and PB200 - but I've not found pricing. I currently have a fairly basic UPS, or could look at one of these standby power boards: http://www.cablesdirect.co.nz/www/pdfs/3s.pdf

So a quick look around doesn't seem to list a 16 port or 24 port patch panel for a cabinet like this? So would I need 2x 8 ports or 3 for expansion? With these are they designed to be completely pre-wires before mouniting in the enclosure - or can they be pulled off and have more calbed attached relatively simply?

Phone will either be via existing house wiring (or a connection to a pap2t) and TV may not be part of it - since I can generally do a lot of that via network anyway with a connection needed to 1 tv and a HDHomeRun.

Have I missed anything?

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#1200564 19-Dec-2014 13:48

With fiber you'll need the fiber termination device (I forget what it's called) then whatever router you want. Some ISPs strongly suggest you use their modem (eg Snap with the Fritzbox) and don't support other devices. It's not large and while they're generally happy to put it wherever you like you may have to pay extra if it's a lot of work to get the fiber there - didn't cost me anything though.

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#1200578 19-Dec-2014 14:13

I think you may struggle with getting a UPS in those cabinets considering the depth of them. Perhaps one of those really thin Dyanmix ones (UPSes) would fit?

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#1200583 19-Dec-2014 14:21

Wow, found a price for the Dynamix thing....and it almost looks like it just a PSU.
http://www.dttech.co.nz/store/powerbrick-broadband-power-server-p-1493.html?osCsid=je7rfm2eadv6ru4h49fekr0iq6

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#1200590 19-Dec-2014 14:39

power brick is used specifically for the ONT, Modem and any alarm gear you have. Its a low voltage device. It is also able to email you when the battery is going flat or the power goes out. you can also find them cheaper else where. i can see the power brick for 199 including at the moment

Do you need something like that or do you just want something to power the kit if the power goes off?

my UPS at home will power my PC for 4 minutes before shutting it down, which is plenty if you are home, and then will power my modem/router and home phone for 3+ hours before the battery goes flat.

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#1200594 19-Dec-2014 14:52

Jase2985: power brick is used specifically for the ONT, Modem and any alarm gear you have. Its a low voltage device. It is also able to email you when the battery is going flat or the power goes out. you can also find them cheaper else where. i can see the power brick for 199 including at the moment

Do you need something like that or do you just want something to power the kit if the power goes off?

my UPS at home will power my PC for 4 minutes before shutting it down, which is plenty if you are home, and then will power my modem/router and home phone for 3+ hours before the battery goes flat.

I was only looking at that cos I figured it's fit in the enclosure. The UPS I've got will more than happily power any devices in there for long enough. And it it doesn't fit in the enclosure, it may need to sit externally.

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#1201722 22-Dec-2014 08:52

Has anyone seen one of these enclosures with a full rack mount 24 port patch panel? Could something like that be installed vertically (since it wont fit horizontally)?

As I don't think there's a 16 port module and I'm not sure how 2x 8 port modules will fit.

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#1201887 22-Dec-2014 11:03

the enclosure is 362mm wide the slimline patch panels are 157mm wide, should be able to fit 2 wide but then there is nothing stopping you mounting them vertically

http://www.cablesdirect.co.nz/www/pdfs/07314.pdf
check out the top 2 pictures they have 2 side by side and they are the same width as the one you are looking at. your one is just down the page a little more

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#1201889 22-Dec-2014 11:11

Interestingly Page 2 of this: https://www.chorus.co.nz/file/18484/minimum_communication_cabling_requirements.pdf
Shows one of these I think: http://www.cablesdirect.co.nz/catalog/popup_image?id=13285
A 16 port unloaded patch panel.

But ok, will keep that in mind that 2 of the slim lines ones would fit.

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#1201901 22-Dec-2014 11:19

that looks to be a standard 19in rack patch panel mounted vertically, i dont think it would fit in your 18in enclosure :)

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#1201902 22-Dec-2014 11:22

Jase2985: that looks to be a standard 19in rack patch panel mounted vertically, i dont think it would fit in your 18in enclosure :)

oh yeah. duh. I think I like the idea of the 2 8port ones - at least I could sort out the first 8 and do the rest later.

Do you pre wire these things before mounting? Or can you add another cable once it's mounted in the enclosure? It didn't look like you'd be able to use the punch down tool with it installed - so it'd make sense to install all cables before affixing to the enclosure right?

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#1202575 23-Dec-2014 11:49

Page 2 of the "Minimum cabling requirements for new homes" that David linked to also advises to run three Cat5 cables from the star point to the ETP.

I thought that the ETP is just a waterproof junction box on the outside of the house where the fibre from the street joins to the fibre in the house.
The only reason for Cat5 I can think of is if the house is to be connected to underground copper instead of fibre.
Is this just a generic manual to suit all new builds, or is there some other reason to run Cat5 to the ETP?

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#1202682 23-Dec-2014 14:53

its to use them as draw wires for fibre and any future services

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#1202711 23-Dec-2014 15:20

But there were pictures posted here of a ONT in someones study where there only seemed to be a duct to the ONT and nothing going back.

I curious what services would need another fibre (or would need an ethernet connection?) from the ETP to Star distribution point ?

Couldn't you blow another fibre down the microducting that carries the original fibre ?

Could I just run a pull line instead ?

Does anyone here have these three ethernet cable running back to the ETP on their home setups?

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#1202739 23-Dec-2014 15:51

Jase2985: its to use them as draw wires for fibre and any future services

That makes for rather expensive draw strings.

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#1202844 23-Dec-2014 19:03

afe66: But there were pictures posted here of a ONT in someones study where there only seemed to be a duct to the ONT and nothing going back.

I curious what services would need another fibre (or would need an ethernet connection?) from the ETP to Star distribution point ?

Couldn't you blow another fibre down the microducting that carries the original fibre ?

Could I just run a pull line instead ?

Does anyone here have these three ethernet cable running back to the ETP on their home setups?

Curious

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The PDF linked above is a guide/recommended you dont have to follow it hence why some do and some dont have it. An ONT has the ability to have more than one fibre connection connected to to so if/when the LFC/RSP allows it you could get a second fiber connection, meaning a second cabled running through your duct. Also what happens if the fiber that's there breaks? need something to draw through a new one.

i would imagine pull line would be fine but make sure you have enough there for any eventuality

DarthKermit:
Jase2985: its to use them as draw wires for fibre and any future services

That makes for rather expensive draw strings.

depends on how far it is but cat 5 is only $0.3 a meter and if your wiring up a house you generally have a whole box of it.

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