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#205536 17-Nov-2016 09:12

So our broadband is working, but it's time to move to VDSL.

We've signed up with Slingshot.

They're sending me one of their modems: because their techs are trained how to trouble shoot their modem.

They've said I can use mine (DrayTek Vigor130 VDSL2/ADSL2+ modem) but if I need tech support I'll need to swap it out and use theirs.

That makes sense so far.

We're also getting home phone line through them.

Here's where it gets squiffy: they said (after sign up) that all I need to do is plug our house phone into the back of the modem, because the phone line comes in via the VDSL link then splits at the modem. I kinda understand that.
- my issue is that our modem is in a service room in the basement, with 6 inches of solid concrete for all 4 walls and ceiling, so the cordless phones won't pick up from the base unit.

Is there a way to run the phone output from the back of the modem to the phone point distribution thingy?

And because you all need a picture, this is the current setup in the data/phone box thingy that distributes them

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#1672543 17-Nov-2016 09:20

Yes, except you won't be able to use your modem, as if you do, then you have no phone.

In the crone block (Top Right) disconnect the line from the street and connect a cable to the port on their modem

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#1672547 17-Nov-2016 09:23

It sounds like they are supplying you a Voice over IP phone line.

You would use the building wiring to get the phone cable from the modem to your desired location. This is the tall black thingee in the middle of your cabinet, just in case you were not aware.

If the outlet where you want the cordless phone is already in use, you can 'split' the cable for half-computer, half phone, but the computer network speeds is limited to 100mbps instead of 1000mbps. Something like this: https://www.jaycar.co.nz/rj45-cat-5-utp-splitter-150mm/p/YT6090

You can use RJ11 connectors in these RJ45 connections to the house wiring, and you can get BT to RJ11 adapters.

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#1672584 17-Nov-2016 10:06

Ok, sounds all very complicated.

I guess I was thinking there was some way to cut the connection from the house input side so it isn't distributed BEFORE the modem, send full signal to modem, put phone type connector plug into back of modem, then take that to the wire loop distribution thingy to go through the rest of the house

Also we now have a punchdown tool - because Joel needed one for one of his own projects.

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#1672588 17-Nov-2016 10:10

Can you point out which cable comes in from the street in there?

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#1672604 17-Nov-2016 10:31

Dynamic:

It sounds like they are supplying you a Voice over IP phone line.

You would use the building wiring to get the phone cable from the modem to your desired location. This is the tall black thingee in the middle of your cabinet, just in case you were not aware.

If the outlet where you want the cordless phone is already in use, you can 'split' the cable for half-computer, half phone, but the computer network speeds is limited to 100mbps instead of 1000mbps. Something like this: https://www.jaycar.co.nz/rj45-cat-5-utp-splitter-150mm/p/YT6090

You can use RJ11 connectors in these RJ45 connections to the house wiring, and you can get BT to RJ11 adapters.

Yup, I'm pretty sure they're doing a VoIP phone line within their system.

The tall black thingie in the middle of the cabinet takes data lines from the switch in the bottom left and distributes data to data ports through the house (insert whatever appropriate rjnumber they are here) Only some of our devices are plugged in, others are wireless.

Currently the data goes from my ADSL/VDSL Draytek (using ADSL currently) directly through one of those sockets on the black thingy, out of the concrete service room and up two levels to the router because it's in the stairwell so wifi is available through the house.

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#1672605 17-Nov-2016 10:34

How many cables run to the stairwell?

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#1672609 17-Nov-2016 10:41

cisconz:

Can you point out which cable comes in from the street in there?

How many cables run to the stairwell?

Hmmm - I can see I'll have to take more photos and draw some diagrams or even

When are you next up Warkworth way @coffeebaron ?

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#1672625 17-Nov-2016 11:06

From what I can see in your picture.

You have a DSL master splitter (the black box in the middle of the two rows in the Crone block at the top left of the cabinet).

The incoming phone line will be the Blue/White pair that goes into the splitter (at the top).

Your Voice lines are currently coming off (and split by the looks, which is OK) the Orange/White pair from the splitter.

Your DSL line is the Green/White pair from the splitter and goes into that phone socket mounted to the left side of your cabinet.

The grey cable coming out of that socket, must go to you current modem (can't see where that goes?).

What you will need to do when you replace your current modem is patch the phone (out) cable from the new modem back to the Crone block where the current Orange/White cable from the master splitter goes (by the looks of it, you will want to just remove the Scotch Lock which is next to the DSL socket in that picture and put a new one on with the new patch cable). The orange/ehite cable from the splitter will go nowhere with the new setup.

EDIT: If you are using a Cat-5 (or5E/6) cable as the phone patch lead from the new modem, it will be the middle pair you need to attach (usually Blue/Blue-White) to the phone cables (the black/white pair that is currently scotch-locked to the orange-white pair from the master splitter).

That should be all you need to do, the new modem can go where you had the old one before. You may need to reconfigure WiFi etc, and any router you may have had down line from your old modem may just need to be turned into an Access Point alone (as the Slingshot Modem will act as the router now).

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#1672659 17-Nov-2016 11:51

By the way - Happy birthday @jevvv

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#1672745 17-Nov-2016 12:55

You will need an RJ45 socket.
Cut blue pair exiting the xDSL splitter at approx half way.
Punch down RJ45 socket on to blue pair you cut, on the half the is no longer attached to splitter
Plug VoIP port into this new socket using and RJ12/11 or RJ12-RJ45 cable

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#1672746 17-Nov-2016 12:56

One or two of these cables might be handy at some point in the system

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#1672811 17-Nov-2016 14:10

Wow - now feeling like we're getting somewhere - sounds like you guys understand what's going on, what I'm trying to do and how to do it. LOVE THIS!!!

Ooops, sorry for getting all emotional over it. Just so frustrating when the guy on the phone can't see what I'm seeing and trying to explain

I'll have a better read through on the above posts and see how I get on.

I promise I won't cut and join anything until I've done that properly and also probably confirmed it here

Do let me know if you are coming this way some time @coffeebaron

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#1672816 17-Nov-2016 14:14

trig42:

From what I can see in your picture.

You have a DSL master splitter (the black box in the middle of the two rows in the Crone block at the top left of the cabinet).

The incoming phone line will be the Blue/White pair that goes into the splitter (at the top).

Your Voice lines are currently coming off (and split by the looks, which is OK) the Orange/White pair from the splitter.

Your DSL line is the Green/White pair from the splitter and goes into that phone socket mounted to the left side of your cabinet.

The grey cable coming out of that socket, must go to you current modem (can't see where that goes?).

What you will need to do when you replace your current modem is patch the phone (out) cable from the new modem back to the Crone block where the current Orange/White cable from the master splitter goes (by the looks of it, you will want to just remove the Scotch Lock which is next to the DSL socket in that picture and put a new one on with the new patch cable). The orange/ehite cable from the splitter will go nowhere with the new setup.

EDIT: If you are using a Cat-5 (or5E/6) cable as the phone patch lead from the new modem, it will be the middle pair you need to attach (usually Blue/Blue-White) to the phone cables (the black/white pair that is currently scotch-locked to the orange-white pair from the master splitter).

That should be all you need to do, the new modem can go where you had the old one before. You may need to reconfigure WiFi etc, and any router you may have had down line from your old modem may just need to be turned into an Access Point alone (as the Slingshot Modem will act as the router now).

Ooo - feeling so techy: just read through all this again and so far it's making sense!

Also trying to understand: will this eliminate the need to have the existing modem in passthrough mode, because it will be doing a normal job properly and my current router will be used as an accesspoint instead.

Is that what you were explaining at the end @trig42 ?

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#1672828 17-Nov-2016 14:19

coffeebaron: You will need an RJ45 socket.
Cut blue pair exiting the xDSL splitter at approx half way.
Punch down RJ45 socket on to blue pair you cut, on the half the is no longer attached to splitter
Plug VoIP port into this new socket using and RJ12/11 or RJ12-RJ45 cable

I can possibly make a trip up that way late next week depending on what / where other jobs next week.

So this would give me similar to what @trig42 was saying, but with plug/unplug capabilities right?

Just getting my head around things.

Also, another pic or three:

General location

Different angle

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#1675511 22-Nov-2016 13:35

jevvv:
Wow - now feeling like we're getting somewhere - sounds like you guys understand what's going on, what I'm trying to do and how to do it. LOVE THIS!!!

Ooops, sorry for getting all emotional over it. Just so frustrating when the guy on the phone can't see what I'm seeing and trying to explain

I'll have a better read through on the above posts and see how I get on.

I promise I won't cut and join anything until I've done that properly and also probably confirmed it here

Do let me know if you are coming this way some time @coffeebaron

Thursday/ Friday this week?

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