Netgear R7800 - okay for gigabit?

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Aaroona

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#210275 20-Mar-2017 15:54

Has anyone used the router above for gigabit?

I'm looking at upgrading my router to something new, but I will only upgrade to something that is able to do Gigabit WAN (basically 850-900+).

I see that the R7000 is capable of gigabit, but only if it has Advanced Tomato installed and configured to CTF. Unfortunately Advanced Tomato doesn't support the R7800 from what I can see.

I can get quite a decent price on one of these units (less than half the cost of what they're sold for in NZ)

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#1744927 20-Mar-2017 22:32

What is quite a decent price?

If you get one, make sure you update it properly.

https://arstechnica.com/security/2016/12/unpatched-bug-allows-hackers-to-seize-control-of-netgear-routers/

The processor looks pretty decent, 1.7Ghz dual core... my mate has one, but only uses it as an Access point.

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#1744943 20-Mar-2017 23:36

darylblake:

What is quite a decent price?

If you get one, make sure you update it properly.

https://arstechnica.com/security/2016/12/unpatched-bug-allows-hackers-to-seize-control-of-netgear-routers/

The processor looks pretty decent, 1.7Ghz dual core... my mate has one, but only uses it as an Access point.

about $300- whereas most places are selling them for like 800+

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#1744945 20-Mar-2017 23:52

gigabit what? connection to ISP - IDK. LAN - yes. wifi - no. I can't think of any device that can connect at 1Gbps wifi.

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#1744946 20-Mar-2017 23:56

joker97:

gigabit what? connection to ISP - IDK. LAN - yes. wifi - no. I can't think of any device that can connect at 1Gbps wifi.

Sorry I thought I made that clear by saying gigabit WAN. But yes, specifically I want to know the WAN to LAN routing performance, for gigabit fibre.

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#1744951 21-Mar-2017 02:46

Take a look here.

WAN - LAN (Mbps) 765
LAN - WAN (Mbps) 782

It should be fine for Gigabit maybe with later versions of the firmware. If you're buying it locally then ensure you're able to return if this is not the case as the only experience I have with Netgear is with the N7000 which gets around 600Mbit on stock but will max out your line with third party firmware (of which the R7800 doesn't support) - the Netgear firmware is somewhat hit and miss with performance.

Edit: If you're with BigPipe you can ask them nicely to switch you to IPoE which is simply DHCP (bare in mind, the IPoE profile is as quoted "still in testing" and you need an actual reason for them to enable it on your line). Doing this with some routers (eg - Mikrotik) you'll put less load on them resulting in better max throughput.

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#1744956 21-Mar-2017 05:56

You won't get that sort of throughput over wifi. In fact it will drop the more devices you add.

You don't need that much wifi speed anyway. The only way to get close is to buy a device with beam forming. It's so stupid how units are advertised as 1600~1700 mbit plus.

Get an ERL or Mikrotik if you want good WAN throughput and don't care about the wifi. The ERL uses a MIPS chip, so it does what its designed for well. There will be no wifi though.

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#1745004 21-Mar-2017 07:59

michaelmurfy:

Take a look here.

WAN - LAN (Mbps) 765
LAN - WAN (Mbps) 782

It should be fine for Gigabit maybe with later versions of the firmware. If you're buying it locally then ensure you're able to return if this is not the case as the only experience I have with Netgear is with the N7000 which gets around 600Mbit on stock but will max out your line with third party firmware (of which the R7800 doesn't support) - the Netgear firmware is somewhat hit and miss with performance.

Edit: If you're with BigPipe you can ask them nicely to switch you to IPoE which is simply DHCP (bare in mind, the IPoE profile is as quoted "still in testing" and you need an actual reason for them to enable it on your line). Doing this with some routers (eg - Mikrotik) you'll put less load on them resulting in better max throughput.

Why so slow?

A Huawei HG659 cheapie can transfer easily at 1Gbps WAN-LAN?

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#1745005 21-Mar-2017 08:00

Aaroona:

joker97:

gigabit what? connection to ISP - IDK. LAN - yes. wifi - no. I can't think of any device that can connect at 1Gbps wifi.

Sorry I thought I made that clear by saying gigabit WAN. But yes, specifically I want to know the WAN to LAN routing performance, for gigabit fibre.

I'd like to think it does, it has so many high numbers after the letter R; but who knows!

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#1745240 21-Mar-2017 15:51

darylblake:

You don't need that much wifi speed anyway. The only way to get close is to buy a device with beam forming. It's so stupid how units are advertised as 1600~1700 mbit plus.

All 802.11ac radios support transmit beamforming as it is a mandatory component of the standard.

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#1745316 21-Mar-2017 18:53

Crowdie:

darylblake:

You don't need that much wifi speed anyway. The only way to get close is to buy a device with beam forming. It's so stupid how units are advertised as 1600~1700 mbit plus.

All 802.11ac radios support transmit beamforming as it is a mandatory component of the standard.

Im using 2x HG659's right now as AP. Both of which are 802.11ac. No beamforming damn.

Not all products that say 802.11ac will do it. If they do, then they have met the standard correctly. I think you will find most don't. Oh and I can not put anything close to the 1600mbps they advertise on it. Id be lucky with maybe 300 mbps on wifi.

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#1745320 21-Mar-2017 19:10

darylblake:

Crowdie:

darylblake:

You don't need that much wifi speed anyway. The only way to get close is to buy a device with beam forming. It's so stupid how units are advertised as 1600~1700 mbit plus.

All 802.11ac radios support transmit beamforming as it is a mandatory component of the standard.

Im using 2x HG659's right now as AP. Both of which are 802.11ac. No beamforming damn.

Not all products that say 802.11ac will do it. If they do, then they have met the standard correctly. I think you will find most don't. Oh and I can not put anything close to the 1600mbps they advertise on it. Id be lucky with maybe 300 mbps on wifi.

The advertised 1600 (or is it 1300 iirc) is the combined bandwidth of their 2 wifi bands of 5GHz and 2.4GHz. so you are never going to get 1300 with one device with one wifi.

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#1745398 21-Mar-2017 21:57

@michaelmurfy wrote a good router guide.

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#1746035 22-Mar-2017 20:08

darylblake:

Not all products that say 802.11ac will do it. If they do, then they have met the standard correctly. I think you will find most don't. Oh and I can not put anything close to the 1600mbps they advertise on it. Id be lucky with maybe 300 mbps on wifi.

You may be confusing the compulsory transmit beamforming (the transmitting of multiple phase-shifted signals) and the optional static (using directional antennas to provide a fixed radiation pattern) and dynamic (the focusing of RF energy in a specific direction) beamforming.

Consumer and SME 802.11ac radios will support transmit beamforming only.

Higher end enterprise radios are now supporting transmit and static beamforming.

Ruckus is one of the only vendors who support transmit, static and dynamic beamforming on the same radio.