Forcing BB over copper?

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patyfatycake

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#215153 14-Jun-2017 17:58

Hi,

I am in a currently long discussion with my apartment complex over getting fibre installed.

They have come up with a suggestion to "force BB over copper". They stated that it I could get over 100mbp (Assuming down).

Would anyone be able to clarify more about this? Or have previous experience regarding this. I have attempted to google it although i'm not sure if it's the proper term as it comes up with many unrelated issues.

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#1801022 14-Jun-2017 18:03

This sounds like they've either got an in-building VDSL system or they're telling you to get VDSL installed. May be one of those scenarios where a local provider already has a presence in the building and provides internet already (giving the owner of your apartment a cut too).

I wouldn't settle with this - get more people to request proper UFB. There is no excuse anymore to why they don't just install it.

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#1801024 14-Jun-2017 18:05

patyfatycake:

force BB over copper

I don't think that's a technical term. :P

They probably mean one of two things:

Install the fibre ONT in the basement, then connect it to your apartment using ethernet
Install a DSLAM in the basement, then connect it to your apartment using VDSL/G.fast

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#1801025 14-Jun-2017 18:05

They could have a private company install a ISAM in the basement of your complex and run VDSL to to your apartments over the current copper. Using certain VDSL profiles 100Mbps is possible.

But this is most certainly not "UFB" in terms of what the government is building. You would be stuck with the single company who installed in the kit in the basement and not have an open access network.

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#1801026 14-Jun-2017 18:05

What is the legality of building owners forcing you to use their power and ISP choices (where they presumably make a cut)? Was at an apartment over the weekend where the guy setup a homemade wifi dish on his balcony as the local internet was so unreliable.

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patyfatycake

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#1801054 14-Jun-2017 18:58

michaelmurfy:

This sounds like they've either got an in-building VDSL system or they're telling you to get VDSL installed. May be one of those scenarios where a local provider already has a presence in the building and provides internet already (giving the owner of your apartment a cut too).

I wouldn't settle with this - get more people to request proper UFB. There is no excuse anymore to why they don't just install it.

There is more than just this as it is a hotel complex which rents out rooms it is hard to get other people.

The ISP which supplies internet to the hotel is not pushing to sign me up so i'm fairly confident its not relating to getting a cut.

DarkShadow:

patyfatycake:

force BB over copper

I don't think that's a technical term. :P

They probably mean one of two things:

Install the fibre ONT in the basement, then connect it to your apartment using ethernet
Install a DSLAM in the basement, then connect it to your apartment using VDSL/G.fast

I currently have an ONT although its not actually working from the installation so it could be possible(First one)

What is the performance comparable to fibre?

chevrolux:

They could have a private company install a ISAM in the basement of your complex and run VDSL to to your apartments over the current copper. Using certain VDSL profiles 100Mbps is possible.

But this is most certainly not "UFB" in terms of what the government is building. You would be stuck with the single company who installed in the kit in the basement and not have an open access network.

Would prefer not to be locked down, no competition is always a bad thing. What is the average Upload speed?

Could they be reffering to "Cable over fibre"? https://wirelessnation.co.nz/urban/products/apartment-broadband

The building already has fibre although getting the wiring to my apartment seems to be the discussion(I can see it in the cupboard across the hallway), drilling, not liking chorus etc(Business ISP doesn't want to take me etc). But yeah that is another topic.

Edit2: I did get "fibre installed" by Chorus who suggested installing it in the networking room like they suggested although the cabling to my slot in my apartment did not support it so it did not work. I would actually need to have it hooked from my current floor to an ONT in my room(Whole another story). I would prefer fibre although the main reason I posted was to clarify on what they could be suggesting to make a more informed decision.

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#1801068 14-Jun-2017 19:05

patyfatycake:

What is the performance comparable to fibre?

If the connection is via ethernet, it can do gigabit. G.fast can do hundreds of megs, and VDSL can do a hundred.

I think we do need some more technical information otherwise we're just speculating.

patyfatycake

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#1801070 14-Jun-2017 19:08

DarkShadow:

patyfatycake:

What is the performance comparable to fibre?

If the connection is via ethernet, it can do gigabit. G.fast can do hundreds of megs, and VDSL can do a hundred.

I think we do need some more technical information otherwise we're just speculating.

Yeah I assume they will call me tomorrow regarding this. So hopefully I will get more clarity regarding this.

Thanks for the information.

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#1801108 14-Jun-2017 20:17

patyfatycake:[snip]

I currently have an ONT although its not actually working from the installation so it could be possible(First one)

Where is the ONT - in your apartment? If so, you should be able to go with whoever you like...

patyfatycake

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#1801177 14-Jun-2017 23:48

RunningMan:

patyfatycake:[snip]

I currently have an ONT although its not actually working from the installation so it could be possible(First one)

Where is the ONT - in your apartment? If so, you should be able to go with whoever you like...

In the network room(Even though its mine), although even though it was installed there as per the Chorus technicians instructions it doesn't work. The cabling from the network to my room isn't compatible, so yeah the ONT is just sitting there and it doesn't work as it doesn't connect to my room.

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#1801268 15-Jun-2017 09:29

It sounds like the ONT quite probably does work. Have you gone to the network room and plugged your router into the ONT as per your ISP's instructions, and seen if that works (you'll only get Wifi in the network room)?

Do you know anything about the cabling from the network room to your apartment? Can you show us photos of the network/phone/etc jacks, cable, etc?

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#1801349 15-Jun-2017 11:06

If the ONT has just been installed, then it should be working fine. It is probably the cabling between your apartment and the ONT that is the issue.

If it isn't at least cat5 then you won't get gigabit ethernet through it, but even runs of cat3 may work OK with 100Mb ethernet. That may be what they are trying to communicate to you.

Do you know, or can you photograph the type of cable that goes from your apartment to the ONT?

patyfatycake

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#1801355 15-Jun-2017 11:13

deadlyllama:

It sounds like the ONT quite probably does work. Have you gone to the network room and plugged your router into the ONT as per your ISP's instructions, and seen if that works (you'll only get Wifi in the network room)?

Do you know anything about the cabling from the network room to your apartment? Can you show us photos of the network/phone/etc jacks, cable, etc?

I meant the fibre does not work, not the ONT. I don't have access to the network room although I have seen it connected to the server rack and attempted to connect via my port and it does not work. I do remember someone saying it was the cabling which did not support it.

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#1801410 15-Jun-2017 11:23

What exactly do you mean that the ONT works but fibre doesn't?

patyfatycake

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#1801415 15-Jun-2017 11:30

RunningMan:

What exactly do you mean that the ONT works but fibre doesn't?

As in the connection actually reaching my apartments room, i'm assuming the chorus people who installed it there actually tested it.

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#1801531 15-Jun-2017 13:28

OK, so on the face of it, you have a working fibre connection but it's not in a suitable place in the building currently.

Have you been able to find out what cabling runs from the network room to your apartment? Even some photos would be useful.

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