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asterix

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#224073 1-Nov-2017 11:55

Is it possible to connect the spark modem (huaweii HG659b) somewhere other that in the distribution box? Currently I have the modem connected to ONT and switch between modem and inputs to 8 other rooms. Will the wi-fi be affected by having the modem in the steel box - and is there a better way of setting up. Two storey house 180sq, with distribution box in the garage at the front. Thanks for any advice.

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#1893546 1-Nov-2017 11:58

Best to disable wifi on huawei and install additional wireless APs at strategic locations to cover house.

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#1893595 1-Nov-2017 12:47

Have a look at TCF Premises Wiring Cable Installers Guidelines for Telecommunication Services (pdf)

Under "Appendix 2: New Home Schematic Diagrams" there is some house sample wiring layouts.

Scenario 5 or Scenario 9 might work if you have sufficient internal cabling.

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#1893628 1-Nov-2017 13:36

I just wired my son's new house.

We have the router centrally located (above the range hood in the kitchen) with 4 Cat 6 cables going back to the (steel) data cabinet in the garage.

The ONT is also in the data cabinet so you need a total of 5 Cat 6 cables (one in, four out)

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#1894851 3-Nov-2017 16:20

robfish:

I just wired my son's new house.

We have the router centrally located (above the range hood in the kitchen) with 4 Cat 6 cables going back to the (steel) data cabinet in the garage.

The ONT is also in the data cabinet so you need a total of 5 Cat 6 cables (one in, four out)

why do you have 4 going back?

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#1894891 3-Nov-2017 18:19

The central place for the the ethernet cabling (the "Star point") is the data cabinet in the garage.

The router has an incoming WAN port and 4 LAN ports so we only need to use a switching hub on the cabinet if he has more that 4 wired devices.

The router is located geographically central for WiFi. (WiFi is not great from a steel cabinet in the garage).

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#1894893 3-Nov-2017 18:24

How many cable runs to other locations in the house??

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#1894894 3-Nov-2017 18:25

robfish:

The central place for the the ethernet cabling (the "Star point") is the data cabinet in the garage.

The router has an incoming WAN port and 4 LAN ports so we only need to use a switching hub on the cabinet if he has more that 4 wired devices.

The router is located geographically central for WiFi. (WiFi is not great from a steel cabinet in the garage).

if you use a switch (who uses hub these days?) in the cabinet wont that make the 4 Ethernet cables redundant as more than likely both ends wont support link aggregation.

a simple 5 port switch is about $30.

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#1894939 3-Nov-2017 19:23

Many households do not need or have more than 4 wired devices so the option is there for my son to not need the switch.

By the way a "switch" is actually a switching hub. Google it if you don't believe me.

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asterix

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#1894944 3-Nov-2017 19:46

thank you all for your help.

I think I will try a grandstream AP in the living room and hope this provides enough coverage, thanks again

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#1894999 3-Nov-2017 22:23

robfish: Many households do not need or have more than 4 wired devices so the option is there for my son to not need the switch.

By the way a "switch" is actually a switching hub. Google it if you don't believe me.

except no one used that termonology though

you may not need more than 4 wired devices but running 4 cables back to the STAR point kinda defeats the purpose a star configuration.

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#1895105 4-Nov-2017 06:27

Future proofing. It is much easier to put the wiring into a house when just the bare frames are up (especially when the wiring is cheap and the labour is free).

We also have HDMI cables, ethernet cables and cables for IR run to non-exiistant TVs; and outside hot points for a non existant spa pool.

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#1895170 4-Nov-2017 11:16

I'm all for over-provisioning cables (try running them in ships if you think houses are awkward/expensive), but it does seem a bit weird to connect all four LAN ports of the router's built-in switch to the wiring cabinet when you could get exactly the same result with one cable and a $30 switch.

This is why I like the main router by the main TV - you can use most of its LAN ports for TV, media player etc and then use a single port to a switch elsewhere for the rest of the house.

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#1895756 6-Nov-2017 06:40

shk292:
you could get exactly the same result with one cable and a $30 switch

Actually this is not true. You could get the same number of connections but consider this analogy.....
With water or electricity the total current flow is limited by the main into the system (so for example a multi box with a 10A input cable would limit the total to 10A out).
So for your scenario, a 4 port switch with 200Mbps input would not allow 4 x 200Mbps connections (but my scenario with 4 connections directly to my 1Gbps router does).
Your scenario is OK when those 4 connections are talking mainly to each other though.
My scenario is even more relevant if using lower spec cable such as Cat 5. You can only get so much throughout over one cable.

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#1896040 6-Nov-2017 14:14

..........and if you ask someone much more knowledgeable than me they will tell you that separate cables definitely better for buffering, interleaving and arping.

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#1898424 9-Nov-2017 16:02

robfish:
shk292:

you could get exactly the same result with one cable and a $30 switch

Actually this is not true. You could get the same number of connections but consider this analogy.....
With water or electricity the total current flow is limited by the main into the system (so for example a multi box with a 10A input cable would limit the total to 10A out).
So for your scenario, a 4 port switch with 200Mbps input would not allow 4 x 200Mbps connections (but my scenario with 4 connections directly to my 1Gbps router does).
Your scenario is OK when those 4 connections are talking mainly to each other though.
My scenario is even more relevant if using lower spec cable such as Cat 5. You can only get so much throughout over one cable.

But they're all Gbps connections. One from the router portion of the "router" to the four integral switch ports, then to four devices via individual cables in your design; or one from the router, via the internal switch, to an external switch then to four devices via its switch ports in my design. The total upstream bandwidth is exactly the same - 1Gbps - in either case, unless you have a multi-Gbps internet connection. Sure you could skew the result by using crap cable if you wanted to, but if you're sensible and use Cat 5e or better (noting that buying worse is as easy and sensible as buying a hub) then you'll get identical results.

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