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PJ48

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#248551 30-Mar-2019 18:06
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Having thoroughly read Michael Murphy's guide to routers, I am still unsure what to do. Essentially I want a robust router without CLI, and don't really need it to have wifi.

 

Our current setup is an Airport Extreme and  2 Airport Expresses (in bridge mode) handling AP duty connected via Ethernet back to the Pace Gateway (with Wifi turned off) . I can tell via Netspot app that we have excellent WiFi coverage. I have had multiple wired APs due to old house with lathe and plaster being very unfriendly towards wifi. We have been having lots of slowdowns over the last 6 months where things take an age to start loading, although once videos are streaming technology, we rarely if ever have a problem with buffering. So I started to think that the Pace Gateway just could handle all the different requests, and that was the  problem. So I ordered a Spark Huawei HG659b, thinking that a modern Spark router would solve it. But that was even worse - devices stopped being able to even find the internet at all. Then I looked at total connected devices in our house, and it is hovering up around 30! So even though i was using the Huawei with Wifi turned off, it felt like the Huawei couldnt handle the number of devices and was dropping them. I subsequently understand that the HG659B has a 32 device limit. With the Pace Gateway back in the circuit, devices don't get dropped off anymore, but I am back to the same issue that we have frequent slowdown at initiating web page connections, , an age to load things, app startup on phones etc.

 

 

 

Of course it could be that the Airports are the issue, but as I say - Wifi throughout is really strong, and I remain suspicious that the Pace Gateway is at Fault. I know I couldn't handle a router with a CLI. Although I don't need a router with Wifi, all the non-wifi ones seem very technical. Would one of either the Asus AC68U, Netgear R7000 or Ubiquiti Amplifi devices solve the issues I describe? I would aim to put them in the circuit with Wifi disabled, because I am primarily looking for strong routing ability, but as I say, I am trying to avoid a device that requires me to use a CLI, and I can't seem to find a high quality non-wifi router that doesn't have a CLI.

 

Thanks for any helpful advice. I will probably be told to ditch the Airports I know, but I also use them as Airplay devices, and have a housewide Dual band single SSID setup, , loads of Apple devices, Apple TVs etc so keen to keep if possible!


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  #2207793 30-Mar-2019 19:31
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If you ring up Spark they will typically send out a HG659 if you complain loud enough saying it's not working properly.



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  #2207794 30-Mar-2019 19:31
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Not a netgear, not the ac67 and not the ubiquiti that looks like a clock.

All those devices fail to route pppoe full speed. Although at 100/20 it's not an issue if you upgrade past 200/200...




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  #2207795 30-Mar-2019 19:32
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BarTender: If you ring up Spark they will typically send out a HG659 if you complain loud enough saying it's not working properly.

In the ops case, the hg659b simply doesn't meet the requirements.




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  #2207796 30-Mar-2019 19:35
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I should add that the problem affects the desktop computer that is solely on ethernet as well, hence my suspicion that it is the Pace Gateway. Once I realised that the Huawei had a 32 device limit, I thought it wasn't worth asking for another one, as I suspect that wouldn't solve the device disconnections I saw with the Huawei.


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  #2207797 30-Mar-2019 19:36
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PJ48:

I should add that the problem affects the desktop computer that is solely on ethernet as well, hence my suspicion that it is the Pace Gateway. Once I realised that the Huawei had a 32 device limit, I thought it wasn't worth asking for another one, as I suspect that wouldn't solve the device disconnections I saw with the Huawei.


Nope would not. Unfortunately you have outgrown the HG659




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  #2207818 30-Mar-2019 20:28
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So can anyone tell me if those three Routers mentioned would handle 30 plus devices and improve responsiveness compared to the Huawei or Pace, even if they can't do full speed over PPPoE?


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  #2207847 30-Mar-2019 21:18
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Yes, the Asus may be a little on the lower end. The other two are more than capable without so low mac table limits.

I just prefer not to advise them due to the mentioned speed situation - it's just not worth it for the eventual complaint hassle




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  #2207855 30-Mar-2019 21:37
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Actually - having re-read Michael Murphy's post on configuring the Edgerouter series, I am beginning to wonder if I might be able to have a crack at one of them. They come in different versions Edgerouter Lite, Edgerouter X and Edgerouter 4. I am hoping most of it can be done through the GUI interface for Spark, but start losing it when it talks about specialised configuration of firewall, IPV6  etc.

 

 

 

Which of those Edgerouters is most user friendly to setup and most applicable to my situation?


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  #2207898 30-Mar-2019 21:59
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We’ve an edge router x, been super happy with it - I was able to get it up and running without needing to do anything on the cli.

Note that we use ours as a router only. DHCP and dns & wifi are handled by other devices on the network

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  #2207899 30-Mar-2019 22:00
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PJ48:

 

Actually - having re-read Michael Murphy's post on configuring the Edgerouter series, I am beginning to wonder if I might be able to have a crack at one of them. They come in different versions Edgerouter Lite, Edgerouter X and Edgerouter 4. I am hoping most of it can be done through the GUI interface for Spark, but start losing it when it talks about specialised configuration of firewall, IPV6  etc.

 

 

 

Which of those Edgerouters is most user friendly to setup and most applicable to my situation?

 

 

I wouldn't say any are overly friendly, and I do have a fair idea of the setup required, but I installed an Edgerouter-X and a Unifi AP AC LR last weekend on Spark Fibre and it was a 20 minute job including installing the management software for the AP.

 

I like that the AP is proper POE and am only slightly annoyed that the ER-X is only the stupid passive 24v POE.

 

Speed is excellent - about as good as the 659b. (930/540MB speedtests)

 

(Note, I also have over 32 devices and abandoned the 659b for that reason)

 

Cheers - N

 

 





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  #2208170 31-Mar-2019 14:43
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Talkiet:

 

I wouldn't say any are overly friendly, and I do have a fair idea of the setup required, but I installed an Edgerouter-X and a Unifi AP AC LR last weekend on Spark Fibre and it was a 20 minute job including installing the management software for the AP.

 

I like that the AP is proper POE and am only slightly annoyed that the ER-X is only the stupid passive 24v POE.

 

Speed is excellent - about as good as the 659b. (930/540MB speedtests)

 

(Note, I also have over 32 devices and abandoned the 659b for that reason)

 

Cheers - N

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks Neil - Will I need to go into the CLI to configure IPv6 for Spark, or can I just leave that alone, and get away with all the basic stuff described on Michael Murphy's tutorial? I am considering getting the Edgerouter Lite.

 

Peter


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  #2208171 31-Mar-2019 14:45
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PJ48:

 

Talkiet:

 

I wouldn't say any are overly friendly, and I do have a fair idea of the setup required, but I installed an Edgerouter-X and a Unifi AP AC LR last weekend on Spark Fibre and it was a 20 minute job including installing the management software for the AP.

 

I like that the AP is proper POE and am only slightly annoyed that the ER-X is only the stupid passive 24v POE.

 

Speed is excellent - about as good as the 659b. (930/540MB speedtests)

 

(Note, I also have over 32 devices and abandoned the 659b for that reason)

 

Cheers - N

 

 

 

 

Thanks Neil - Will I need to go into the CLI to configure IPv6 for Spark, or can I just leave that alone, and get away with all the basic stuff described on Michael Murphy's tutorial? I am considering getting the Edgerouter Lite.

 

Peter

 

 

We make IPv6 setup incredibly easy by not yet supporting it on our broadband service, so no setup required :-/

 

Cheers - N





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  #2208189 31-Mar-2019 15:28
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Talkiet:

 

 

 

We make IPv6 setup incredibly easy by not yet supporting it on our broadband service, so no setup required :-/

 

Cheers - N

 

 

 

 

Ah ha - thanks!


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  #2208229 31-Mar-2019 15:51
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Talkiet:

 

 

 

I wouldn't say any are overly friendly, and I do have a fair idea of the setup required, but I installed an Edgerouter-X and a Unifi AP AC LR last weekend on Spark Fibre and it was a 20 minute job including installing the management software for the AP.

 

I like that the AP is proper POE and am only slightly annoyed that the ER-X is only the stupid passive 24v POE.

 

Speed is excellent - about as good as the 659b. (930/540MB speedtests)

 

(Note, I also have over 32 devices and abandoned the 659b for that reason)

 

Cheers - N

 

 

 

 

Actually - thinking about the fact that I am only on 100/20 - it seems the Edgerouter X is much cheaper and would work just as well as the Lite in my environment. If I wanted to - presumably I have to enable hardware offloading in the CLI, but probably don't need to on my lower speed plan? Also - will I be able to use Eth2-3 as managed switch ports in the same network, if I go for the X rather than the Lite?

 

Peter

 

 


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hio77: Not a netgear, not the ac67 and not the ubiquiti that looks like a clock.

All those devices fail to route pppoe full speed. Although at 100/20 it's not an issue if you upgrade past 200/200...

 

Amplifi AFi-R on current firmware can get to about 800mbps on a gigabit connection (with pppoe and vlan taggings - probbably a bit more if your ISP doesn't use PPPoE). So not really a big problem as it's about the sam thruput cap as on the er-x


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