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#261734 12-Dec-2019 12:05
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I've had an enquiry from a client with a fabulous lifestyle property in Northland. Fibre has just been laid down the road. Her house, though, is a full half km from the road.

She's been quoted $40/m for taking fibre to the house. $20,000. Ouch. The enquiry asks for an alternative method to bring UFB to the house.

I've responded, asking if there's a building with power close to the road that we can terminate in, then Ubiquiti AirMax or similar from there. Otherwise, I'm low on possible solutions.

Experts please, is there anything that can be done?

Thanks in advance for your input.




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  #2374169 12-Dec-2019 12:15
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I'm going to give a bit of a cynical reply first: If they have a "fabulous lifestyle property" (your words) they can probably afford the $20,000.

 

TBH: I've no idea of the going rate so have no clue if $40/m is good or not.  No chance of suggesting you'll dig the trench for the supplier yourself and see if that drops the cost?  So they just have to come in, drop in the fibre and then connect it up.  I can only imagine a large amount of the cost is the trenching (or fixing to a fence or whatever they had planned).

 

Otherwise I think your plan of terminating nearer the road is your best bet.


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  #2374180 12-Dec-2019 12:19
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Hi Brett, is there any existing infrastructure running from the road frontage to the house, ie fence line etc.

 

My recommendation would be similar to yours, although if its got clear line of sight a 60GHz link will give much lower latency and throughput.

 

The trick is establishing a power connection. Also if no nearby building exists you could establish a cabinet to terminate the ONT and gear etc, again still needs power

 

Edit: $40/m is not a bad number

 

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  #2374202 12-Dec-2019 12:54
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If you do end up trenching, I'd put two or three ducts/conduits in the trench: one for your new UFB connection; one to take power down to the fence line from the house - it's bound to come in handy one day; and maybe one for 'just in case'. The extra pipes would only cost about $1.50/m at retail, the expensive bit is the trenching and backfilling.

 

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  #2374207 12-Dec-2019 13:03
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cyril7:

 

Edit: $40/m is not a bad number

 

 

really? 2 days with a Chain Trencher Tractor Ride On is only about $1100 from hirepool. even has a blade for back filling.

 

add in a bit of fuel etc its still a heap cheaper.

 

 




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  #2374208 12-Dec-2019 13:03
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Further information received - the property is off-the-grid solar powered.

Yes, there is a fence to run conduit down.




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  #2374210 12-Dec-2019 13:09
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There is some kit that can extend Ethernet out to that distance over copper + POE at far end, but would depend on what cable is available. Also probably getting a bit marginal to power up the ONT at that distance.
Best option if you can get line of site will be solar power and wireless link.




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  #2374243 12-Dec-2019 13:54
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I've had a situation like this recently and received a similar quote $9k for 200m. When I asked if we could install the ONT in a shed closer to the road I was told by the ISP that this would no longer qualify for a standard installation and therefore not receive any UFB funding for the installation as it wasnt being installed to the main residence.

 

Does that sound correct?


 
 
 
 


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  #2374244 12-Dec-2019 13:57
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Hi, a 4core preterminated single mode mil grade outdoor rated fibre will set you back around $1800, add a couple of media converters for each end and add another couple of hundy.

 

You would have to budget for approx 20w load at the gate the ONT draws around 12W and a media converter <10w, so a basic 40-60w solar kit will set you back around $400

 

Other option is a wireless link as previously mentioned.

 

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  #2374246 12-Dec-2019 13:59
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dimsim:

 

I've had a situation like this recently and received a similar quote $9k for 200m. When I asked if we could install the ONT in a shed closer to the road I was told by the ISP that this would no longer qualify for a standard installation and therefore not receive any UFB funding for the installation as it wasnt being installed to the main residence.

 

Does that sound correct?

 

 

Hi, yes I understand that is correct, however the UFB side of the costs are pretty minimal if you are only asking them to place the ONT <2-3m from the road front with you doing all the rest.

 

I recently did a similar install, cost bill <1k from the installers for above mentioned reason.

 

 

 

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  #2374282 12-Dec-2019 15:09
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Thank you all for your input, most appreciated. Cyril, you sound like a man speaking with authority & experience.

I'm going to run this collection past my client then probably ask for further information via PM.





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  #2374367 12-Dec-2019 17:25
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This is the cost of living in the middle of nowhere. If they dont take the fiber all the way to the house and have other gear powering it remotely etc then there is vandalism/theft issues, maintaining it, trying to explain that to the ISP when they try to troubleshoot it and resale of the property later on.

 

Install it properly for that small amount. Have a normal install that people can help with and the reliabilty of not having some gear at the gate to go wrong when you least can deal with it in a cold rainy winters day.





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  #2374463 12-Dec-2019 22:03
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$20,000 seems to be the default price for anyone requesting a UFB install outside the free install area. Might be worth accepting that quote so they do a proper one if you're serious.

 

From what I gather of your post, all the extra work is on your clients property, so doing the trenching for them might make that real quote a lot cheaper.


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  #2374997 13-Dec-2019 19:18
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Can you lay your own single mode fibre and they splice to it at the street to their own?





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  #2375006 13-Dec-2019 19:29
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Zeon:

 

Can you lay your own single mode fibre and they splice to it at the street to their own?

 

 

Hi, if its approved product then yes, that is a very real option.

 

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