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hebman

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#270377 6-May-2020 16:20
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Hi,

 

I have a wired network, with a hub connected to a router out to the internet, easy - no drama, nothing to see here.

 

However, I also have a 3 unit Google Wi-Fi mesh connected to said hub running all the wireless devices in the house, ipad, iphone, tablet, laptops and crucially printers.

 

Each network has access to the internet, no drama, still nothing to see here...

 

Now, the problem I seem to have is that the two networks don't see each other.  When I say crucially printers above that's the function that seems to want to cross networks most often, the printers are wireless and I cannot get prints out from my wired desktop, I have to then get out the laptop which is also wireless and print from there - often a pain in the butt! 

 

When I do a tracert from the hardwired network to the google wifi network the ping goes to the gateway and then searches the internet.  What I want it to do is recognise that the 192.xx.86.xx network is actually internal.

 

Anyone know how to do that? I'm not a network expert with just enough knowledge to be dangerous enough to stuff internet access for all and die slowly at the hands of my frenzied teens who can't stream youtube if I  tinker.

 

 

 

Many thanks.


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  #2478011 6-May-2020 16:26
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Set the googles to bridge mode.

 

 

 

 





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  #2478012 6-May-2020 16:30
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Hi, you have a double nat issue happening, and the Google WiFi (GWiFi) is not allowing traffic to forward from the wired network back through the GWiFi router to the lan on the other side.

 

To overcome this you need to get the LAN side of the main GWiFi router and reticulate that to all other wired locations, and not the wired network from the main router.

 

Also ideally you should get rid of the double nat that means removing the ISPs router all together, however the GWiFi does not support vlan tagging on the WAN port, so you will get around that first, there are ways, but it will involve a little bit of gear.

 

Also your hub and the wired routers around the house, is there just one outlet in each room or more

 

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  #2478014 6-May-2020 16:32
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In relation to bridging the GWiFi, if you do that you loose the ability to use more than one, plus other features are lost, you are better off removing the ISP router and using a managed switch to get aroudn the vlan issue. All in all, the GWiFi is really a bit of a flop in my view.

 

The easist  way at this time is just to not use anything off the wired side of the ISP router except the feed to the main GWiFi router, and live with double nat. And use the lan port of the main router to feed all other wired outlets rather than the ISPs router.

 

Cyril




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  #2478017 6-May-2020 16:36
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Is each mesh device running off a separate Ethernet port, or are they all "wifi-ing" back to one which is connected to the Router?

 

Setting them up to use the ethernet as "backhaul" will deliver better performance,


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  #2478020 6-May-2020 16:38
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wellygary:

 

Is each mesh device running off a separate Ethernet port, or are they all "wifi-ing" back to one which is connected to the Router?

 

Setting them up to use the ethernet as "backhaul" will deliver better performance,

 

 

But only if he uses the main GWiFi lan as the feed, currently it seems he is using the ISP lan, which is the GWiFi wan, so it will all fail, hence currently I assume he is uing wireless mesh.

 

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  #2478047 6-May-2020 17:27
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Google WiFi is a very poor solution for your requirements.

 

In all seriousness if what you want to do is a key requirement (Ethernet + WiFi on the same network segment) and you want a mesh solution your best approach is to buy something better.

 

 

 

 


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  #2478101 6-May-2020 18:02
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Thanks heaps for the quick replies - what solution do you suggest?

 

 

 

I got this mesh system as the wifi doesn't reach large sections of our house and wifi extenders are rubbish.




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  #2478112 6-May-2020 18:29
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Hi please explain what wired cabling is in place, maybe a sketch.

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  #2478124 6-May-2020 19:00
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hebman:

 

Thanks heaps for the quick replies - what solution do you suggest?

 

 

 

I got this mesh system as the wifi doesn't reach large sections of our house and wifi extenders are rubbish.

 

 

If LAN devices and WiFi mesh are the requirement I would recommend the UBNT Amplifi to act as your primary router as well as the mesh. Bit late now though probably since you've splashed out on Google WiFi.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  #2478144 6-May-2020 20:07
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The google wifi  are all within relatively easy reach of an ethernet port - I flood wired the house when we built it so I can do that but I never looked in to that configuration I was sold on the mesh function.

 

In terms of config: 

 

I have a mikrotek router out to a point to point radio based internet link (rural) so need to keep that - it serves dhcp for the wired clients.  I have a 32 port hub that the end points in the rooms are activated to and I have the wifi mesh.

 

I think I've seen instructions on how to configure the Google wifi as ethernet 'backhaul' - do they still all work as one big whole house wireless network just without the router confir and hence double NAT problems (got to admit I don't understand what that is really apart from at a really basic level)


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  #2478147 6-May-2020 20:11
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Hi, can you PM me a diagram of exactly what you have, and I will advise tomorrow, whats the best way forward.

 

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  #2478150 6-May-2020 20:33
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Might be worth relocating the hub as a first try. So you'll end up with:

ISP router>Google WiFi master>hub>everything else

The simple explanation is everything in your ISP router is on one network then the Google WiFi is creating it's own network. You can't avoid the Google WiFi one if you want all the features it has so moving everything past that point should help with your troubles and keep it all in one network.

This isn't ideal and you should look to fix the double NAT issues as others have said. Google WiFi isn't the best device here as the bridge mode hampers its feature set, but it doesn't work on ufb on most providers out the box, so it becomes either useless or too complicated to use correctly.

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  #2478220 6-May-2020 21:20
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hebman:

 

I flood wired the house when we built it ....

 

Having gone to that trouble, locating APs (in bridge mode) in the various rooms would give you total WiFi coverage plus some models will give you local Ethernet ports for direct wired PCs, TVs, PlayStations etc. as required.

 

Perhaps put the Google Mesh system on Trademe and get the experts here to recommend good but cheapish APs.


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  #2478225 6-May-2020 21:35
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so could I actually just wire out the two remote nodes to ethernet and get rid of the hub one (the router) which gives me two ap's? and removes the routing problems?  Two would be sufficient as the third one is only needed to get signal from one end to the other like a leap frog kinda thing


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  #2478234 6-May-2020 21:53
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I think they rely on the master node being involved so just having them might not work great and defeats the point is having them.

Google has an article in resolving double NAT but you need everything to be viewed as one network.

https://support.google.com/wifi/answer/6277579

As I said on my last reply just insert the master node in line between your ISP router and hub then plug nothing else in to the ISP router at all and it should work. If you can then turn turn your ISP router in to bridge mode as per the Google support article it should fix the issues double NAT may cause.

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