Again with the Microsoft Bluetooth problems

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#472 1-Sep-2003 04:02

So I'm thinking now that this Bluetooth desktop thing probably wasn't a good idea. But anyways, I tried the Widcomm hack to enable services for my iPaq to connect (which I can now, though there are some issues I'll get to in a bit) and it works. The iPaq can conect up to it and share files.

But I can't get the mouse and keyboard to work on it. They're paired, but not responding. Any suggestions for that? I'm using the dell 1.4.1.4 which might have something to do with it, but I'm at a loss.

Secondly, I'm having trouble enabling the network acess service on the computer. I want to acess the internet from my iPaq but I get an error saying "local service failed - error code: the operation couldn't be completed. The error was 0x81000015"

If anyone has any tips or suggestions, please help. I'm rather new to the whole bluetooth thing. Thanks guys.

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#1229 1-Sep-2003 09:13

You see, people get really unhappy with this Bluetooth thing. But it's not the technology itself but how companies implement it. Microsoft could have done a better job, but decided to make it harder.

It's really hard to pinpoint any fault, since the hack was just a workaround an issue. It's, like other hacks, not 100% guaranteed. Let's wait a little and see if anyone else had this experience and help you here.

chrismax

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#1231 1-Sep-2003 09:21

Phil,

I haven't seen any success with hacking another vendor's drivers. Unfortunately, the bottom line is the MS transceiver and associated drivers will only support the HID and a couple more unique services and its transceiver.

If you want to use the MS bt products, you won't have access to the services you need to connect with your IPAQ. According to the press, Microsoft is choosing not to continue with "cableless" or virtual com port profiles.

Anyone, please correct me if someone has figured this one out.

Sorry!

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#1232 1-Sep-2003 09:24

Mauricio, we must have been responding at same time....guess "great minds think alike" or in this case that would be yours!

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#1233 1-Sep-2003 09:25

In parts. This thread tells how to do it, but as you've found it might not work all the time. Also, every computer has a different configuration and sometimes conflicts arise.

It's a shame Microsoft created such a problem with its Bluetooth (non) implementation.

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#1234 1-Sep-2003 10:31

Agreed. As a member of the SIG, one would think MS would promote a common WPAN. But that's Microsoft for you!

I have a friend who purchased a new Dell Inspiron and Axim X5 with Dell's bluetooth bundle. She wanted the functionality of a PAN since she already had a T610. She purchased the MS bluetooth desktop kit since it would have been a great addition.

She gave me a call to figure out why nothing worked after she installed the MS software. After a quick chat, she promptly returned the product to CompUSA. The manager actually recommended for a workaround that she re-install the two driver sets depending on the devices to be connected!!

Crazy??!!!

Thartek

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#1235 1-Sep-2003 11:09

Woah, lotsa replies =)

First of all, I'm dissapointed that Microsoft felt the need to NOT include basic bluetooth connectivity into something they were hyping up, but as it's way past the return date, there's not too much I can do about that. So I'm tryng to live with this.

Secondly, the link that Mauricio pointed out is actually what I was following (and also what I meant by "tried the Widcomm hack") It appeared to me that Protos was able to get his mouse and keyboard working again once he installed the Widcomm drivers. I can't seem to do that, which is why I was asking for help =)

I've been able to use the widcomm drivers and the MS transiever to share files, which is a step in the right direction. I want to try playing with this a bit more before I break down and go buy an additional BT dongle because really, having two is wicked redundant. If there is a way I can connect the mouse and keyboard up using the MS transiever and the widcomm drivers and use the iPaq, great! If there is a way to connect the mouse and keyboard up to another brand BT transiever and use the iPaq, also good, but I'd like to avoid spending 40 more dollars when microsoft should've included it.

Sorry... Anyways, I've done a lot of searching and you guys seem to be in the know about a lot of BT issues. Is there anything I'm missing, or should be doing? And Protos, how'd you do it? =)

Phil

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#1236 1-Sep-2003 12:44

Short answer is that the MS adapter will not provide the services you need. As you've experienced, hacking may get one profile operational but disable another or the dongle.

MS software offers limited, specific services and closely tied to its dongle.

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#1237 1-Sep-2003 12:55

Also, please note my comments earlier in this thread. If you install another adapter, it won't provide the services for your mouse or keyboard (at least from the driver releases I'm aware of). The setup program will replace drivers with its own.

Unfortunately, there's no adapter to support a PAN with your configuration.

Since 1.4 is a fairly recent release, we may see a more comprehensive offering of profiles from one vendor.

Thartek

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#1265 2-Sep-2003 10:26

Alright, so to get my keyboard, mouse, and iPaq working I'm gonna need two adapters... crappy...eh...if I want it, that seems like the only way to do it....

But thanks guys.

Phil

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#1271 2-Sep-2003 15:59

Thartek, please note that another adapter will load its own software and delete any prior bluetooth software installed. So you may get your mobile connected, but disable your keyboard/mouse.

Look at the adapter's specifications to ensure that it offers all the bluetooth profiles that you need.

TDK seems to be real close to releasing a driver set that will provide the solution that you're looking for. Have a look at Mauricio's review of the MS desktop set on this web site.

chrismax

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#1272 2-Sep-2003 16:58

Some further testing shows that the D-Link adapter does offer the HID profile. Since I couldn't find it in my local services, I assumed it wasn't available.

I was in the mindset of my pc providing this service to the keyboard/mouse, but actually my PC is using the service provided by the keyboard/mouse. It won't appear initially in your Bluetooth Neighborhood since it's not a local service, but a client application.

I can't promise that the adapter will work with all your devices but it DOES provide the profiles needed.

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#1280 3-Sep-2003 15:50

Moin,

what has been said before is not quite right. I'm using the integrated bluetooth of my IBM Thinkpad with the Widcomm software and it seems as though there is no problem in installing the Microsoft Wireless Transceiver that came with my Microsoft Wireless IntelliMouse Explorer for Bluetooth additionally and _at the same time_.
The only thing the CD that came with the mouse wanted me to uninstall was the UltraNav driver that is handling my trackpoint and touchpad because the setup believed the software would interfere. (Quite naturally it doesn't interfere and I reinstalled the UltraNav driver without a problem afterwards.)

As a side note: Use the right operating system and all's well. BlueZ under Linux will work the same with Microsofts Transceiver and with IBMs integrated bluetooth, and thanks to http://www.visi.com/~pmk/msbtkb-linux.html the mouse will work with BlueZ.

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#1979 24-Oct-2003 18:29

Can anyone tell me where to get a hack to add Headset profiles to my 5450?

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#1981 24-Oct-2003 18:48

Try changing HKLM/SOFTWARE/Widcomm/BtConfig/Services/0005/Enabled from 0 to 1.

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#2577 31-Dec-2003 13:17

My setup yesterday:

1. PC with XP
2. Eagletec USB Bluetooth Dongle (BT 1.3.2.7)
3. Palm Tungsten T3
4. Sony Ericsson T616

I had all of these devices interacting beautifully.

My setup today:

1. PC with XP
2. Palm Tungsten T3
3. Sony Ericsoon T616
4. MICROSOFT WIRELESS OPTICAL DESKTOP FOR BLUETOOTH. (thanks Santa)

Ok so now I know that the MS BT Dongle is ONLY HID and won't detect the services of my palm or mobile phone. Similarly, My Eagletec Dongle is NOT HID capable and therefore will not suffice to operate my MS keyboard and mouse. (I haven't actually tried operating my MS bluetooth keyboard and mouse with the Eagletec dongle. I bought the dongle in China about a year and a half ago. From what I have read here in the forum, it seems that HID capable BT dongles are relatively new to the market.)

So now what? I suppose I could return my MS BT desktop...but...its sooo pretty!

Does anyone know of a hack or something that I can implement to get my MS BT dongle to detect my other devices services?

My other question is...if the two BT dongles that I currently have won't do the trick...which dongle will? I'd like to get a fairly solid confirmation that a particular dongle will work before I go fork out the cash.

Muchas muchas muchas gracias amigos.

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