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#306067 25-Jun-2023 15:49
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Hopefully someone can help.

 

I am putting in a new alarm and have a particular problem with cabling for motion sensors in two upstairs rooms and the installation of an indoor siren on the top floor. 

 

The problem arises because there is only a single 6 core cable running from the control box downstairs and up into the attic.  There are then two 4 core cables that run down from the attic into the two rooms.  This easily allows me to set up the two rooms as separate zones.

 

However, I also want to put in an internal siren in the ceiling of the upper floor. If I had another cable from the control box up into the attic, then it would be simple.  However, I haven’t and it would be very difficult to put one in.

 

I believe that it is still possible to put in the siren as well as having two separate zones for the two sensors using the single 6 core cable that runs to the attic.  I think that this involves using the pgm outputs on the DSC and using relays in the control box.  However, I don’t know how to do this.

 

Can anyone help, ideally with diagrams etc.

 

If it can’t be done, then the alternative would be to put the two sensors in series and only have one zone, but my preference is to have each room as a separate zone.


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  #3094841 25-Jun-2023 20:44
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I've thought about this a bit more.  I was overthinking this.

 

I believe that the zone commons and the aux -ve are all internally connected in the panel.  If this is the case, then the wiring becomes:

 

  • 1 strand each for Zone 1 and 2 sensors
  • 1 strand for aux +ve of the panel to the 12V+ of both sensors
  • 1 strand to from aux -ve of the panel connected to the 12V-ve of both sensors
  • 2 strands for the siren
  • connect the 12V-ve to the common in each each sensor

Total 6 cores.

 

Does this work?

 

Also is the bell -ve internally connected to the Aux-ve in the panel.




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  #3094862 25-Jun-2023 21:51
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That would probably work since the PIRs don't draw much power so you wouldn't get much voltage drop on the common wire. The siren could be either negative or positive switched depending on how they designed the panel, so you'd be safer to keep it on it's own common


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  #3101569 8-Jul-2023 21:59
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To use 6 cores with 2 pirs and a piezo you do a common negative with 4 wires, red is pos (+ on both pir), black is neg (- on both pirs), white is zone 1 and blue is zone 2, the pir commons go through neg that connects with commons on panels, piezo is green and yellow to bell pos and neg

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