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BradBev

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#319984 23-Jun-2025 14:28
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Recent renovations have left a room with light switches in slightly undesirable places.  Essentially, an existing room with a switch at one entrance needs an extra switch at the other entrance in a setup as if it were a hallway.  Running additional cables is not easy.  I have an existing HASS based automation system, but I want to avoid relying on it entirely for something as critical as light switches.

 

Here is what I am thinking, but I'm pretty new to this and would love to get some confirmation that it will work.  

 

  • At the existing switch location, install a Shelly Relay (mini Gen3).  This will function in edge mode and directly control the power circuit to the bulb.  If the power is on, this switch must toggle the bulb when switch toggled.
  • At the new switch location, a second Shelly Relay.  This relay has nothing connected to the output, it is just sampling switch state.  If this switch stops working it is not the end of the world
  • Home Assistant will monitor the second relay, when that relay changes state (ie, switch flipped), the first relay will have its output toggled.

     

    • I understand the Shelly's are somewhat programable.  If it's possible to remove HASS from the control loop entirely, that would be ideal.

This video is very close to my thoughts, but is using a third relay and requires HASS - https://youtu.be/EliCUBtSWJ4?t=442

 

I had a surprisingly hard time finding any information out there that matches the setup that I think will work for me.

 

 

 

Cheers!
Brad


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wellygary
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  #3386404 23-Jun-2025 14:42
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How about sticking something like a wiz bulb in the  fitting, leave the existing switch on and just control it directly from a remote button on the wall...

 

https://www.bunnings.co.nz/wiz-portable-portable-button_p0381687

 

 

 

 

 

 




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  #3386408 23-Jun-2025 15:10
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There is a way to get 2 Shelly's talking to each other standalone: 
https://shelly.guide/application-guide/shelly-to-shelly-standalone-without-wi-fi-but-with-wi-fi/

 

 


BradBev

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  #3388467 1-Jul-2025 06:29
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For anyone in the future - this is possible and quite easy.  I used two Shelly Mini gen3's.  Home Assistant was not needed - the secondary Shelly can send commands to toggle to the primary.




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  #3388468 1-Jul-2025 06:50
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I have a similar situation, where the lounge lights can be turned on and off at two different light switches (each side of the lounge).

 

So I could use two Shelly Mini gen3 in each switch to control and monitor the lights?

 

Sounds like the OP situation is more complex than this.

 

 

 

Goal is to use the Shelly to turn lights on/off on schedules etc.





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  #3388471 1-Jul-2025 07:12
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If you already have an existing switch pair (hallway switch, 3 way switch seem to be the Google keywords), and you want to add a Shelly to control it then you only need a single relay.  There are some good videos/pages out there that I found when looking to solve my issue.  You need to put the relay closer to the light fixture though rather than in a switch box - depending on how the wiring is already (I think).  Ie, essentially you need to wire the relay in such a way that the switch pair is treated like one switch.


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  #3388597 1-Jul-2025 11:48
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It will depend on the wiring where you put the shelly. You should still be able to get it working but the shelly may have to go at the cieling end. There are multiple ways to wire multi way switching and many times there will be black wires used as lives between the switches and in really old installs even a green that should have been sleeved between them. Just working out how its wired is the first challenge. If there are multiple switches at each location then the traverllers may have also been split between different TPS cables and it can be a complete mess but still be working.

 

I gave up working out the mess between 4 switches with 3 or 4 mechs on each plate at home where the lights connected out off from various switches but there were travelers all around the place clearly added by people at later stages and just put a 4 way arlec wifi switch in at each place and left the other outputs disconnected and then used the tuya automations to make them a multiway switch. Intermediate mechs. Ugh.

 

 





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  #3388603 1-Jul-2025 12:29
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Hmm that sounds like it's going to be much more complex than I had hoped it would be (unsurprisingly, as nothing is ever as simple as it should be)





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