dickytim: Court ordered is different

Why?

6 digit PINs FTW

nathan:

 

6 digit PINs FTW

 

f__k the world?

Yet another TTA I'm not ofay with; can you please translate for me?!

for the win

FML

nathan:

 

6 digit PINs FTW

 

Standard since iOS9, you can use 4 or alphanumeric if you so chose, though. 

nathan:

 

for the win

 

 

 

FML

 

FFS, I had to also search for that TLA! WTF? You're screwing with my head...

dickytim:

 

nigelj:

 

Linuxluver:

 

I'm trying to tie this story up with what happened when my wife found an iPad at Auckland Airport. 

 

I called Apple and the iPad hadn't been registered by the user. The user also had not enabled Siri so I wasn't able to do the "Who owns this iPad" question by holding down the Home button. 

 

Apple told me to take it to police and have the police call them and they would help the police identify the owner.....presumably by giving the police access to the device.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

Two different things, Police can call up Apple and say "We have found a device with serial number XYZ, we need to make reasonable attempts to return this lost property, can you help", Apple can in turn look up Apple IDs that have signed into the iPad recently (especially if said iPad is a trusted device on someone's iTunes account) and contact the owner directly.   No 'breaking in' required.

 

What the FBI are requesting is that Apple replace the copy of iOS on the phone with one that gives the FBI the ability to use a digital lockpick. That is wrong.

 

I hope Apple can find a way of winning this battle.

 

 

Why is it wrong that Apple put this firmware on a specific device of a mass murdering criminal, your moral compass must be really out of whack.

 

As others have said, it sets a nasty precedent, and it also makes the signed code that made it happen desirable for a lot of people that aren't going to be honest with it if they find a way to possess it.

What stops the FBI asking that Linux distributions carry backdoors to LUKS, Microsoft to code backdoors to Bitlocker, Google defeating their Full Device Encryption mechanism?

Think what you will of me (and know that you are wrong), but my opinion is, if this goes ahead, it's a bad mark for information security which has become critically important.

nigelj:

 

 

 

As others have said, it sets a nasty precedent, and it also makes the signed code that made it happen desirable for a lot of people that aren't going to be honest with it if they find a way to possess it.

 

What stops the FBI asking that Linux distributions carry backdoors to LUKS, Microsoft to code backdoors to Bitlocker, Google defeating their Full Device Encryption mechanism?

 

Think what you will of me (and know that you are wrong), but my opinion is, if this goes ahead, it's a bad mark for information security which has become critically important.

 

All reasons that lots of people, such as, oh, the New Zealand Law Society, said the TICSA and GCSB bills were bad laws.

SaltyNZ:

 

nigelj:

 

 

 

As others have said, it sets a nasty precedent, and it also makes the signed code that made it happen desirable for a lot of people that aren't going to be honest with it if they find a way to possess it.

 

What stops the FBI asking that Linux distributions carry backdoors to LUKS, Microsoft to code backdoors to Bitlocker, Google defeating their Full Device Encryption mechanism?

 

Think what you will of me (and know that you are wrong), but my opinion is, if this goes ahead, it's a bad mark for information security which has become critically important.

 

 

All reasons that lots of people, such as, oh, the New Zealand Law Society, said the TICSA and GCSB bills were bad laws.

 

I still mostly agree with the NZLS there, but honestly I think it's a different kettle of fish, this is more of a targeted request, which has a direct & logical leap to direct application on other platforms.

The pragmatist in me, does question what is so wrong with Apple creating a firmware that is hard-coded to work on a very specific device (i.e. serial number) and if it's not a match, then the phone is wiped as sort of an anti-tamper, but I do see potential problems there if - for instance - someone figures out a way to fake the serial number in the right spots, which brings up my original concerns (if somebody obtains the means to fake the serial number/confuse the firmware, and use this 'special' firmware).

Really, I wish the pragmatist in me was right, but the other concerns worry me more.

Genies are very reluctant to go back into bottles.

Precisely: it all boils down to one simple fact. There is no such thing as a back door that only the good guys can use.

lxsw20:

 

nathan:

 

6 digit PINs FTW

 

 

 

 

Standard since iOS9, you can use 4 or alphanumeric if you so chose, though. 

 

:)

just pointing out that 6 digit PIN is a lot lot harder to crack than a 4 digit.  I've stopped using 4 digit some time ago

nathan:

 

for the win

 

 

 

FML

 

PML

A question for "the clever ones" Is what they are saying that the apple phone is unhackable true? or is it just a blow up and posturing by Apple and the FBI?