Apple Event Nov 10th

Forums › Apple iOS and devices › Apple Event Nov 10th

1 | 2 | 3 | 4

10513 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2604268 15-Nov-2020 17:47

Handle9: What upgrade to 16GB?

When you go to https://www.apple.com/nz/shop/buy-mac/macbook-air and click Select, it asks whether you want 8 or 16 GB.

Edit: Perhaps I should've said '16 GB model' as I didn't mean to imply a post-purchase upgrade (which is impractical as you'd need to change the whole chip!)

Handle9

11404 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2604269 15-Nov-2020 17:51

Behodar:

Handle9: What upgrade to 16GB?

When you go to https://www.apple.com/nz/shop/buy-mac/macbook-air and click Select, it asks whether you want 8 or 16 GB.

Ah it's an option (which I didn't realise).

Pricing has stayed exactly the same though, unless NZ has some currency effects.

Macbook Air was always US$999 and MacBook Pro was US$1299. There isn't any change there.

adida101

127 posts

Master Geek

#2604271 15-Nov-2020 18:07

Handle9:

adida101: Interesting that the M1 MacBooks are substantially cheaper than the equivalent intel model.. I guess apple making their own chipsets have saved costs and they’re (for a nice change) passing those saving on to customers.

Slightly OT but wanted to ask if others have installed Big Sur on an older MacBook and what they thought of performance? Any slowdowns etc? I have a late 2013 MBP, so the oldest generation supported. Would be interesting to hear from others with similarly old devices on how Big Sur runs.

They don't have equivalent Intel models anymore. The M1 machines are at the same price points as the old low end intel macs, except the Mac Mini which is cheaper. With the old Mac Mini you could at least upgrade the RAM but with an SOC that's not an option.

What I was meaning was that for example if you get a 13inch MBP M1 configured to 16GB ram 512gb ssd it comes to $2999 nzd vs the intel 13inch i5 with equivalent ram/ssd it’s $3299.

Handle9

11404 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2604273 15-Nov-2020 18:20

They aren't the same hardware though - the Intel one has 4 thunderbolt ports. The M1 models are at the same price point as the intel macs they replaced (2 port thunderbolt port Macbook Pro and Macbook Air)

The low end Intel models are gone.

bendud

313 posts

Ultimate Geek

ID Verified

Lifetime subscriber

#2604387 15-Nov-2020 21:03

yep, the M1 chip has 2 TB4 channels only, so all the M1 machines ergo only have 2 TB ports - MBA, MBP or Mini.

From the Antarctic Riviera

JPNZ

1549 posts

Uber Geek

#2604809 16-Nov-2020 15:45

Holy moly the M1 specs are making me want an upgrade for my MBP

Battery life is incredible

Panasonic 65GZ1000, Onkyo RZ730, Atmos 5.1.2, AppleTV 4K, Nest Mini's, PS5, PS3, MacbookPro, iPad Pro, Apple watch SE2, iPhone 15+

IronH

379 posts

Ultimate Geek

#2605628 17-Nov-2020 18:04

Handle9:

We also don't know what CPU or laptop apple was actually comparing M1 to as they didn't say.

its listed on their website: MBA comparison is between 8core gpu version of the m1 & 1.2ghz core i7 MBA. MBP comparison is between m1 and 1.7ghz core i7 MBP with irus pro 645. Apple also states that one comparison is made against a 16” core i9 MBP, but without checking i’d guess this comparison relates to something like battery life or performance per watt or something like that.

I know a lot of people are complaining about only 2 ports but m1 MBP replaces the 2 port MBP so its the same number of ports. The 4 port MBP will be coming next year, rumour is they may also get a new chip with 10 or 12 core cpu (6 or 8 high performance + 4 energy efficient vs the 4 + 4 of the m1). I think the bigger issue around the tb ports may be the change in monitor support on the m1 version, the old intel models could do 1x 5k monitor or 2x4k monitors, while the new m1’s can only do one monitor (but now upto 6k).

Im guessing by now everyone has seen the m1 geekbench scores of 1600 single and 7000ish multicore, well someone has run geekbench in x86 emulation under rosetta 2, scores dropped to 1300 single core and 5900 multicore, which is still faster than a 16” i7 mbp!

I have a 4 port 2018 mbp and my wife has a 2 port 2019 mbp, but if the claims and benchmarks hold water i think we may both be upgrading (or is it considered downgrading) to 2020 macbook AIRs! Like some one else complained about, my wife also hates the fan noise when in zoom meetings, so a fanless design would suit her. & My fanless ipad renders 4k video faster than my mbp, and im guessing a fanless m1 should be just as fast if not faster, plus i can run both finalcut (mac app) and lumafusion (ipad app) on it! Sounds good to me.

Sharesies

Trade NZ and US shares and funds with Sharesies (affiliate link).

Shapenz

518 posts

Ultimate Geek

#2605665 17-Nov-2020 20:33

I'm absolutely in the same boat @ironH - If the benchmarks are to be believed these new chips are a game changer for the 13" Macbook's. It's been a bit of a joke that the iPad Pro is faster at video / image editing than a full blown laptop but this looks set to change that up.

The only non Apple apps I use are Lightroom and Remote Desktop so the whole Arm vs x86 thing doesn't bother... providing Adobe can deliver in the timeframe they've suggested.

Behodar

10513 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2605666 17-Nov-2020 20:34

A beta of Photoshop's available so hopefully Lightroom's not too far behind.

Edit: Although apparently the beta's pretty dire...

Handle9

11404 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2606435 18-Nov-2020 17:28

Handle9:

JaseNZ:

I would say there could be some pissed of 16" users who splashed the cash on this 4k plus and then they release an air that can out perform it for 1/2 the cost.

I am interested to see what they are going to do with the mac book pro range with the silicon as that is what I would like to upgrade to.

For anything memory intensive the current 16 inch machine will probably still be faster as the SOC only has 8GB of RAM.

We also don't know what CPU or laptop apple was actually comparing M1 to as they didn't say.

Reviews starting to come in and they are impressive, particularly on the battery side. The performance isn't as earth shattering as it has been made out but still very impressive.

Let's see when developers get better at developing for it. The real world results still suggest that the MBP 16 is better for heavy workflows. Check 7:31 in the video below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4g2nPY-VZc

MikeB4

18435 posts

Uber Geek

ID Verified

Trusted

#2606437 18-Nov-2020 17:34

@Handle9 the reviews I have seen have been impressive. Dave Lee has a good review up on the performance and they are impressive. I am definitely interested in these devices especially as my iMac is not getting any younger.

Handle9

11404 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2606439 18-Nov-2020 17:36

I think the biggest uplift looks to be in battery and particularly graphics performance. Some of the gaming benchmarks are particularly impressive.

MikeB4

18435 posts

Uber Geek

ID Verified

Trusted

#2606443 18-Nov-2020 17:43

The productivity benchmarks are impressive, gaming benchmarks on Apple products I feel are not very relevant, to be fair Apple laptops and desktops are not targeting the gaming sector but that does not rule out casual gaming on them. I have never played games on my iMac and MacBooks.

Handle9

11404 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2606448 18-Nov-2020 17:48

I think Apple is targeting gaming but hasn't been successful due to hardware limitations. It's a big segment for them on mobile and Apple Arcade is clearly a gaming play.

Getting decent gaming performance on an ultrabook class machine is pretty cool.

MikeB4

18435 posts

Uber Geek

ID Verified

Trusted

#2606449 18-Nov-2020 17:54

Very true. All this talk is making yearn more and more for one or two of these new devices dammit. A curse on you Apple. Not really but...

1 | 2 | 3 | 4