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#232165 2-Apr-2018 15:59
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Looking for

 

  • Silverstone DS380 or U-NAS NSC-800/810 Chassis 
  • SFX or 1U 350-450w psu (SFX for silverstone case, 1U for U-NAS)
  • Pentium G4560/G4560T (I3-6100T/I3-7100t will also be considered)
  • 16GB DDR4 ECC UDIMM (both 2x8GB and 1x16GB will be considered)
  • 2x WD Red 8/10TB (Only looking for as new, not interested in drives with large power on hours)
  • 2x decent brand 32GB USB 3.0/3.1 flash drives

 

 

Trying to do this build on a budget, so thought I'd try my luck at picking up some secondhand items :)


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  #1987225 2-Apr-2018 17:02
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Smart set-up, why not G4600 (if your MB allows for DDR4 2400, only a few bucks more)? Use 32GB Transcend SSDs with THIS for OS (cheaper, saves space, to be mounted with Velcro or screws) wink





- ISP1: OneBox FTTH modem, 1/.5G, full DS, VLAN7, VoIP + ipTV streaming flat
- ISP2: LTE USB modem + GL-AR750S, 100/40M data plan (wireless fallback)
- NET: OPNsense CI329, ES-16-XG, C2960X-48TS, 3 GWN7630, EL1600+800
- SVR: 9i3C246 32G/24T, 2 H2 16G/500G, N2 4G/1T || 2 remote HC2 14T+4T
- USR: DeskMini 9i5, NUC 8i7HVK, Aspire E5, EliteBook 840, Galaxy Tab, 4K TV
- IoT (EU868): openHAB, CCU3, Vantage ISS 6327, LoRaWAN 4 GWs/15 Nodes
- 3D: 2 Ender-3/Pro, 4 Ultimaker 2E+/3/3+/S5, MPCNC, EleksLaser-A3 Pro
- ipPBX: GO-Box, 2 GRP2613, SPA112 (Fax & W-48, a 1948 Siemens phone)

 

 




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  #1987231 2-Apr-2018 17:30
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Tinkerisk:

 

Smart set-up, why not G4600 (only a few bucks more)? Use 32GB Transcend SSDs with THIS for OS (cheaper, saves space, to be mounted with Velcro or screws) wink

 

 

Yep would consider the G4600 as well. 

 

Re OS drives I was planning on installing the OS on mirrored 32GB flash drives, using a USB 3.0 mobo header adapter like this - saves both space and cost.


 
 
 
 


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  #1987233 2-Apr-2018 17:36
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What is the server going to be used for?

 

Personally, it it's just to serve files (documents, spreadsheets etc) then the CPUs you mention are fine. But if it's to be a media server then I would go for something a bit beefier, particularly if it has to support more than one concurrent user and/or 4K files, to allow for transcoding.

 

Unless you don't care about fault tolerance, I would also get 3 WD drives not 2. RAID5 will give a much more efficient use of drive space, and easier expansion when using the remaining bays in future, than RAID1. And you can only do RAID1 with 2 drives.

 

You also need to think about back solutions, particularly if it's for business rather than a home media server. It's no fun trying to recover multiple TB of critical files that people need urgently at the best of times, let alone without a proper backup arrangement.




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  #1987237 2-Apr-2018 17:45
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JimmyH:

 

What is the server going to be used for?

 

Personally, it it's just to serve files (documents, spreadsheets etc) then the CPUs you mention are fine. But if it's to be a media server then I would go for something a bit beefier, particularly if it has to support more than one concurrent user and/or 4K files, to allow for transcoding.

 

Simple fileserver, no transcoding - that'll be done on a separate machine. The Pentium CPU range (Especially Kabylake with it's 4 threads) should be more than enough for what I have planned for this build smile

 

JimmyH:

 

Unless you don't care about fault tolerance, I would also get 3 WD drives not 2. RAID5 will give a much more efficient use of drive space, and easier expansion when using the remaining bays in future, than RAID1. And you can only do RAID1 with 2 drives.

 

Will be using ZFS on FreeBSD. Plan is to start with 2 drives in raid1, then purchase more next year and set them up in a raidZ2 (ZFS equivalent of Raid 6) ZFS can't convert a RaidZ1 pool to RaidZ2, and it's not within budget to purchase enough drives to make a RaidZ2 pool worthwhile at the moment. Raid1 should be enough capacity for now - unfortunately I'd have to destroy and rebuild the array regardless when I purchase more drives because of the above limitations.

 

JimmyH:

 

You also need to think about back solutions, particularly if it's for business rather than a home media server. It's no fun trying to recover multiple TB of critical files that people need urgently at the best of times, let alone without a proper backup arrangement.

 

Will be a home fileserver - end plan is to have important data mirrored between two sites (Wellington and Auckland) and onto Gdrive once fibre finally arrives.


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  #1987238 2-Apr-2018 17:48
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alexcc:

 

Yep would consider the G4600 as well. 

 

Re OS drives I was planning on installing the OS on mirrored 32GB flash drives, using a USB 3.0 mobo header adapter like this - saves both space and cost.

 

 

Ok. I had mine directly as female connector on the Mobo and 6x USB3.0 to the front & rear so it was easier for me to use 1 SATA SSD aside the HDDs and 1 NVMe M.2 SSD on the Mobo loosing none of the 6 drive bays.





- ISP1: OneBox FTTH modem, 1/.5G, full DS, VLAN7, VoIP + ipTV streaming flat
- ISP2: LTE USB modem + GL-AR750S, 100/40M data plan (wireless fallback)
- NET: OPNsense CI329, ES-16-XG, C2960X-48TS, 3 GWN7630, EL1600+800
- SVR: 9i3C246 32G/24T, 2 H2 16G/500G, N2 4G/1T || 2 remote HC2 14T+4T
- USR: DeskMini 9i5, NUC 8i7HVK, Aspire E5, EliteBook 840, Galaxy Tab, 4K TV
- IoT (EU868): openHAB, CCU3, Vantage ISS 6327, LoRaWAN 4 GWs/15 Nodes
- 3D: 2 Ender-3/Pro, 4 Ultimaker 2E+/3/3+/S5, MPCNC, EleksLaser-A3 Pro
- ipPBX: GO-Box, 2 GRP2613, SPA112 (Fax & W-48, a 1948 Siemens phone)

 

 


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  #1987239 2-Apr-2018 17:53
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JimmyH:

 

But if it's to be a media server then I would go for something a bit beefier, particularly if it has to support more than one concurrent user and/or 4K files, to allow for transcoding.

 

 

What'd you recommend as processor for that?





- ISP1: OneBox FTTH modem, 1/.5G, full DS, VLAN7, VoIP + ipTV streaming flat
- ISP2: LTE USB modem + GL-AR750S, 100/40M data plan (wireless fallback)
- NET: OPNsense CI329, ES-16-XG, C2960X-48TS, 3 GWN7630, EL1600+800
- SVR: 9i3C246 32G/24T, 2 H2 16G/500G, N2 4G/1T || 2 remote HC2 14T+4T
- USR: DeskMini 9i5, NUC 8i7HVK, Aspire E5, EliteBook 840, Galaxy Tab, 4K TV
- IoT (EU868): openHAB, CCU3, Vantage ISS 6327, LoRaWAN 4 GWs/15 Nodes
- 3D: 2 Ender-3/Pro, 4 Ultimaker 2E+/3/3+/S5, MPCNC, EleksLaser-A3 Pro
- ipPBX: GO-Box, 2 GRP2613, SPA112 (Fax & W-48, a 1948 Siemens phone)

 

 




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  #1987246 2-Apr-2018 18:10
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Tinkerisk:

 

Ok. I had mine directly as female connector on the Mobo and 6x USB3.0 to the front & rear so it was easier for me to use 1 SATA SSD aside the HDDs and 1 NVMe M.2 SSD on the Mobo loosing none of the 6 drive bays.

 

 

No NVMe M.2 slot on the mobo I'm using unfortunately, otherwise that'd be the way I'd go as well.

 

I'll be using the Asrock C236 WSI


 
 
 
 


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  #1987249 2-Apr-2018 18:16
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alexcc:

 

No NVMe M.2 slot on the mobo I'm using unfortunately, otherwise that'd be the way I'd go as well.

 

I'll be using the Asrock C236 WSI

 

 

Not too far from mine.





- ISP1: OneBox FTTH modem, 1/.5G, full DS, VLAN7, VoIP + ipTV streaming flat
- ISP2: LTE USB modem + GL-AR750S, 100/40M data plan (wireless fallback)
- NET: OPNsense CI329, ES-16-XG, C2960X-48TS, 3 GWN7630, EL1600+800
- SVR: 9i3C246 32G/24T, 2 H2 16G/500G, N2 4G/1T || 2 remote HC2 14T+4T
- USR: DeskMini 9i5, NUC 8i7HVK, Aspire E5, EliteBook 840, Galaxy Tab, 4K TV
- IoT (EU868): openHAB, CCU3, Vantage ISS 6327, LoRaWAN 4 GWs/15 Nodes
- 3D: 2 Ender-3/Pro, 4 Ultimaker 2E+/3/3+/S5, MPCNC, EleksLaser-A3 Pro
- ipPBX: GO-Box, 2 GRP2613, SPA112 (Fax & W-48, a 1948 Siemens phone)

 

 




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  #1991254 7-Apr-2018 21:04
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Still looking for 

 

  • 16GB DDR4 ECC UDIMM (both 2x8GB and 1x16GB will be considered)
  • 2x WD Red 8/10TB (Only looking for as new, not interested in drives with large power on hours)
  • Noctua CPU Cooler NH-L9I
  • 2x Noctua NF-F12 PWM 120mm Case Fan

Send me a PM if you have anything available laughing


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  #1991276 7-Apr-2018 21:25
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Tinkerisk:

 

JimmyH:

 

But if it's to be a media server then I would go for something a bit beefier, particularly if it has to support more than one concurrent user and/or 4K files, to allow for transcoding.

 

 

What'd you recommend as processor for that?

 

 

How long is a piece of string?

 

Seriously, there are too many variables to just recommend a chip in response to a question like that. It depends on a range of things, such as the number of concurrent users that need to be supported, the resolution of the material (720, 1080, 4K etc), the bitrates of the material, and the codecs used (h.265 takes more than h.264 for instance).

 

So it depends totally on your expected use case. As a guideline, Plex recommend a CPU with a passmark of 2000 for a 1080P stream at 10 Mbps, and a 1500 passmark for a 720p stream at 4 Mbps. That's per stream, so you would need a passmark of 6000 for three concurrent 1080p streams etc. For 4K it can be much more, I have seen people recommending passmarks over 8000 for one high bitrate 4K stream.


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  #1991299 7-Apr-2018 22:50
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JimmyH:

 

How long is a piece of string?

 

 

That's why I asked. With your mentioned "requirements" (let's say 2 codings of 4k) you easily reach a passmark of 16000. A capable Intel Xeon E5-2673 v3 @2.4GHz has a passmark of 16982, consumes TDP 110W and it's actual price is 700 US$.

 

An Intel Pentium Gold has a passmark of 5528, does 2 codings of 1k for 79US$. So what do you mean with a "beefier CPU" for a NAS?





- ISP1: OneBox FTTH modem, 1/.5G, full DS, VLAN7, VoIP + ipTV streaming flat
- ISP2: LTE USB modem + GL-AR750S, 100/40M data plan (wireless fallback)
- NET: OPNsense CI329, ES-16-XG, C2960X-48TS, 3 GWN7630, EL1600+800
- SVR: 9i3C246 32G/24T, 2 H2 16G/500G, N2 4G/1T || 2 remote HC2 14T+4T
- USR: DeskMini 9i5, NUC 8i7HVK, Aspire E5, EliteBook 840, Galaxy Tab, 4K TV
- IoT (EU868): openHAB, CCU3, Vantage ISS 6327, LoRaWAN 4 GWs/15 Nodes
- 3D: 2 Ender-3/Pro, 4 Ultimaker 2E+/3/3+/S5, MPCNC, EleksLaser-A3 Pro
- ipPBX: GO-Box, 2 GRP2613, SPA112 (Fax & W-48, a 1948 Siemens phone)

 

 




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  #1991349 8-Apr-2018 09:26
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Tinkerisk:

 

JimmyH:

 

How long is a piece of string?

 

 

That's why I asked. With your mentioned "requirements" (let's say 2 codings of 4k) you easily reach a passmark of 16000. A capable Intel Xeon E5-2673 v3 @2.4GHz has a passmark of 16982, consumes TDP 110W and it's actual price is 700 US$.

 

An Intel Pentium Gold has a passmark of 5528, does 2 codings of 1k for 79US$. So what do you mean with a "beefier CPU" for a NAS?

 

 

Can you guys please carry out the rest of your convo in PMs - that's getting way off topic for this thread. 

 

 

 

As before - if anyone has the following available, PM me! laughing

 

Looking for 

 

  • 16GB DDR4 ECC UDIMM (both 2x8GB and 1x16GB will be considered)
  • 2x WD Red 8/10TB (Only looking for as new, not interested in drives with large power on hours)
  • Noctua CPU Cooler NH-L9I
  • 2x Noctua NF-F12 PWM 120mm Case Fan
  • Silverstone CP11 300/500mm (Or other thin sata cables)

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