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#1157906 19-Oct-2014 15:27

chevrolux:
Andib:
chevrolux: Gateway is 10.13.x.x, interesting.

I am just being stupid or is that a private address range...... sounds like CG-NAT. This "amazing" network doesn't sound so amazing anymore.

Yep the entire 10.0.0.0/8 Subnet is a private range.

So I guess that's what 'gaming mode' gives you, A public IP

Haha what an excellent way to market stuff. Gamers will sign up to the standard plan and get angry when they go on COD and get a "Strict" NAT type. Then they change to the 'gamer' plan and get connected to a bunch more games. Then come and here and tell everyone how great 'gamer mode' is on myrepublic.

Lol.... what a joke!

Maybe MyRepublic should have spent more coin on IPv4 addresses than buying a whole bunch of bandwidth first off.....

@Mayhem - is your WAN IP in the 10.0.0.0/8 or 100.64.0.0/10 range?

10.13.x.x

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#1158139 19-Oct-2014 22:20

Andib:
chevrolux: Gateway is 10.13.x.x, interesting.

I am just being stupid or is that a private address range...... sounds like CG-NAT. This "amazing" network doesn't sound so amazing anymore.

Yep the entire 10.0.0.0/8 Subnet is a private range.

So I guess that's what 'gaming mode' gives you, A public IP

According to this post he's on the gamer plan, so it looks like gamers are stuck behind CG-NAT.

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#1158148 19-Oct-2014 22:47

meesham:
Andib:
chevrolux: Gateway is 10.13.x.x, interesting.

I am just being stupid or is that a private address range...... sounds like CG-NAT. This "amazing" network doesn't sound so amazing anymore.

Yep the entire 10.0.0.0/8 Subnet is a private range.

So I guess that's what 'gaming mode' gives you, A public IP

According to this post he's on the gamer plan, so it looks like gamers are stuck behind CG-NAT.

Really goes to show that so far it's all marketing bluster, with no real thought. Gamers and CG-NAT rarely mix well.

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#1158170 20-Oct-2014 07:11

Unless anybody can confirm otherwise (as their website doesn't make this very clear) it would seem you're presumably on a CG-NAT connection unless you pay extra for a public IP.

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#1158177 20-Oct-2014 07:54

sbiddle: Unless anybody can confirm otherwise (as their website doesn't make this very clear) it would seem you're presumably on a CG-NAT connection unless you pay extra for a public IP.

I certainly would not be impressed being lumped on CG-NAT without warning. If this is the case, they need need to make this clear on their website. It is generally expected that you get a public IP on a NZ fixed line broadband connection unless clearly stated. BigPipe do CG-NAT, but make this clear in their FAQS.
Some clarification please MyRepublic?

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#1158207 20-Oct-2014 08:23

coffeebaron:
sbiddle: Unless anybody can confirm otherwise (as their website doesn't make this very clear) it would seem you're presumably on a CG-NAT connection unless you pay extra for a public IP.

I certainly would not be impressed being lumped on CG-NAT without warning. If this is the case, they need need to make this clear on their website. It is generally expected that you get a public IP on a NZ fixed line broadband connection unless clearly stated. BigPipe do CG-NAT, but make this clear in their FAQS.
Some clarification please MyRepublic?

BigPipe gave me a 'real IP' for free, I just had to ask for it.

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#1159025 21-Oct-2014 09:13

I saw a good discussion in another thread, but it's all locked now.

Let me give a hypothetical scenario, and I want to see what your responses are.

You are starting a new ISP. You go to APNIC and get ~ 1 address per 10 customers. You go to the black market, and don't find any IPs available for a reasonable price ($1,000,000 per /24). So, how would you put 100,000 customers on a network with 2^13 IPv4 addresses (and essentially infinite V6 addresses)?

There are pros and cons to all the answers, and there are no answers I see that don't either exclude content (a number of services and servers are still v4 only), or use CG-NAT to get the 100k users on 8k addresses.

Note, I've made up the numbers, so they don't match any particular ISP, but I'm interested, based on the comments here, on how it "should" be done. I have some thoughts on the matter, and obviously work for a place that faced something similar and made a choice, but when APNIC already gave out so many addresses to the "other guys" that there aren't enough left for new players:

What is the best thing for new players to do?

If I should have made a new topic, please let me know. It just seems on-topic to this discussion, and I'm curious what the people here think.

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#1159054 21-Oct-2014 09:42

CG NAT, with static / sticky public IP on request would be fine I think.

People only need a public IP on the CPE for specific purposes.

Would also look at offering IPv6 too.

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#1159081 21-Oct-2014 10:42

Whinery:
If I should have made a new topic, please let me know. It just seems on-topic to this discussion, and I'm curious what the people here think.

Personally, I think CGNAT is fine, but, it has been associated with issues with online gaming over the years (predominantly when it comes to multiparty direct connect features), and for offering a Gaming-focussed plan with CGNAT, and not being clear about it, could be misconstrued.

You're certainly not the only ISP in NZ to use CGNAT (BigPipe being another major player who do) - but the two differences to me are,
1) they include it in their FAQ, and give you the option to request a public IP,
2) they don't call their plan 'gamer'.

Granted, for *most* activities, people won't even notice, but if I were paying for a 'gamer' plan and found all my issues with party chat on Xbox Live or similar were because my ISP use a non-gaming-friendly CGNAT offering, I'd be pretty miffed. I'd at least like it to be clear upfront, with options to resolve it if it is an issue on a case by case basis. Perhaps you offer that (aside form applying for a static IP - I mean simply allowing exclusions from CGNAT by way of assigning a dynamic public IP).

Realistically, though, it can't be expected that ISPs continue to offer public IPv4 addresses to all customers on all connections, and CGNAT or migrating to a native IPv6 platform are really the options.

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#1159119 21-Oct-2014 11:28

I think the main issue here is being up front about it. I don't have an issue with ISP's using CG-NAT, as long as this is clearly stated in either sign-up or FAQs. Plus the option to opt out of CG-NAT either free or paid.

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#1159167 21-Oct-2014 12:15

coffeebaron: I think the main issue here is being up front about it. I don't have an issue with ISP's using CG-NAT, as long as this is clearly stated in either sign-up or FAQs. Plus the option to opt out of CG-NAT either free or paid.

We never intended to not be up front with it. If just clearly stating it somewhere, anywhere was the main issue, then check out our FAQ. The newest (last) question states we use CG-NAT.

I put it there and not the T&Cs because I can edit the FAQ. To edit the T&Cs, I have to go through content committees and legal reviews. Since this isn't a big deal, I went ahead and made the change, so it went into the FAQ.

Also, for the comments on Gamer and CG-NAT, the Gamer plan in Singapore we are basing the service off of gets great reviews for service and gaming, and uses CG-NAT. We haven't seen the problems with CG-NAT that people are reporting here. It'll be interesting to see what happens as more people get on the CG-NAT service and see whether it is CG-NAT, or something else that was the problem.

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Marc Whinery
Senior Product Manager, MyRepublic
www.myrepublic.co.nz/faq (question 21, at the bottom)

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#1159173 21-Oct-2014 12:21

Whinery:
I put it there and not the T&Cs because I can edit the FAQ. To edit the T&Cs, I have to go through content committees and legal reviews. Since this isn't a big deal, I went ahead and made the change, so it went into the FAQ.

I don't think you need it in the T&Cs, it's just a technical aspect of the connection that is important to some people (me included) that could be an unwelcome surprise after a connection is live and would want to know about it beforehand, so the FAQ is a good place for it. Thanks for being responsive to the geeks here :)

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#1159188 21-Oct-2014 12:37

Yes all good there in the FAQ's now.

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#1159195 21-Oct-2014 12:55

Whinery:
coffeebaron: I think the main issue here is being up front about it. I don't have an issue with ISP's using CG-NAT, as long as this is clearly stated in either sign-up or FAQs. Plus the option to opt out of CG-NAT either free or paid.

We never intended to not be up front with it. If just clearly stating it somewhere, anywhere was the main issue, then check out our FAQ. The newest (last) question states we use CG-NAT.

I put it there and not the T&Cs because I can edit the FAQ. To edit the T&Cs, I have to go through content committees and legal reviews. Since this isn't a big deal, I went ahead and made the change, so it went into the FAQ.

Also, for the comments on Gamer and CG-NAT, the Gamer plan in Singapore we are basing the service off of gets great reviews for service and gaming, and uses CG-NAT. We haven't seen the problems with CG-NAT that people are reporting here. It'll be interesting to see what happens as more people get on the CG-NAT service and see whether it is CG-NAT, or something else that was the problem.

Regards,
Marc Whinery
Senior Product Manager, MyRepublic
www.myrepublic.co.nz/faq (question 21, at the bottom)

I would recommend you include it in the 'offer summary' too. It's significant enough that our legal team told us to put it in there, since it does impact some stuff that people use on residential connections - like hosting gaming servers etc.

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#1169349 5-Nov-2014 15:54

On the topic of CG-NAT, no idea if it is possible, but it could be cool if CG-NAT ISPs automatically forwarded a fixed range of ports through to each customer, so if they needed could run servers on those specific ports at least. Or a web portal where you can just add a port forward. Of course will still need to be done on customers equipment too.

It doesn't matter as long as you show on your website clearly that you're using CG-NAT. I just don't like the idea of double NATting

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