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#417691 15-Dec-2010 15:26

Anyone remember Telecom Anyone, Anytime?

http://telecom.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1709

If I remember correctly it was $399 + GST/month for unlimited national calling and texting. It also had a 24 month term.

Now 2degrees have unlimited calling for $149. I wonder why no unlimited texting?

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#417693 15-Dec-2010 15:27

NonprayingMantis: From the press release:
"Sole business operators especially, who routinely rack up a huge monthly bill for their mobile phone calling as part of their job, will find this new plan to be a God-send,? says Mr Moore. "

and then the fair use policy states:
http://www.2degreesmobile.co.nz/fairusepolicy

"In no case does any Service allow for activities aimed at making profit "

what are sole business owners doing if not engaged in activities aimed at making a profit?

I haven't read the fair use policy but I think based on reading some of their other terms and conditions this is aimed at stopping you from reselling the minutes.

You could easily use the SIM in some sort of gateway device and start offering a calling card service where you resell the time.

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#417698 15-Dec-2010 15:34

n4:
NonprayingMantis:
freitasm: Don't be so "special" about it. They probably mean you can't use it ro rack up a large number of SMS for competitions ;)

haha, probably (although voice minutes in this case).

It does mean that, unless the fair usage kicks in at a smidge over 1000 mins, they are pricing at below MTR rates though, which is interesting (thinking of the Vodafone 200 on-net mins for $12 plan the comcom had a fit at for being anticompetitive).

Think SIM boxes connected to PABXs...

With respect to MTRs, these are any net minutes, not on-net (lock in) minutes so the issue with the Comcom does not arise.

but, correct me if I am wrong here, the issue the commerce commission had with the voda plan was not so much that it was on-net only, but that it was something a competitor (being 2degrees) couldn't match (i.e. 200 mins to voda mobiles for $6) because the MTR would act as a price floor, so an offer that was priced below MTR could not be matched without making a huge loss. i.e. if 2D offered 200 mins to Voda mobs it would cost them $30 in MTR alone.

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#417702 15-Dec-2010 15:35

manhinli: Anyone remember Telecom Anyone, Anytime?

http://telecom.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1709

If I remember correctly it was $399 + GST/month for unlimited national calling and texting. It also had a 24 month term.

Now 2degrees have unlimited calling for $149. I wonder why no unlimited texting?

if you can call anyone you want (nationally) why would you need more than 1000 SMS?

while Vodafone and Telecom are pushing up the number of SMS to silly limits 2degrees is allowing you to break free from SMS and just talk to someone!

but to answer your question i would assume they would probably get more abuse of 0c SMS than they would from 0c calls.

I am guessing you can also purchase the TXT1000 add-on if you need more.

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#417703 15-Dec-2010 15:36

This is pretty sweet, I was thinking about the sim cards in PABX, now all the traffic can be routed via the 2degrees network no matter where they are calling... Saving companies heaps!

Perhaps I should forward our 0800 number cancel our landlines and do the same at work :D

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#417704 15-Dec-2010 15:39

NonprayingMantis:
n4:
NonprayingMantis:
freitasm: Don't be so "special" about it. They probably mean you can't use it ro rack up a large number of SMS for competitions ;)

haha, probably (although voice minutes in this case).

It does mean that, unless the fair usage kicks in at a smidge over 1000 mins, they are pricing at below MTR rates though, which is interesting (thinking of the Vodafone 200 on-net mins for $12 plan the comcom had a fit at for being anticompetitive).

Think SIM boxes connected to PABXs...

With respect to MTRs, these are any net minutes, not on-net (lock in) minutes so the issue with the Comcom does not arise.

but, correct me if I am wrong here, the issue the commerce commission had with the voda plan was not so much that it was on-net only, but that it was something a competitor (being 2degrees) couldn't match (i.e. 200 mins to voda mobiles for $6) because the MTR would act as a price floor, so an offer that was priced below MTR could not be matched without making a huge loss. i.e. if 2D offered 200 mins to Voda mobs it would cost them $30 in MTR alone.

Ah OK I see. I guess 2degrees are working on the assumption that MTRs will be reduced since the Comcom decided that it was needed after all. And not all minutes will be to mobiles of course.

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#417706 15-Dec-2010 15:40

graemeh:
NonprayingMantis: From the press release:
"Sole business operators especially, who routinely rack up a huge monthly bill for their mobile phone calling as part of their job, will find this new plan to be a God-send,? says Mr Moore. "

and then the fair use policy states:
http://www.2degreesmobile.co.nz/fairusepolicy

"In no case does any Service allow for activities aimed at making profit "

what are sole business owners doing if not engaged in activities aimed at making a profit?

I haven't read the fair use policy but I think based on reading some of their other terms and conditions this is aimed at stopping you from reselling the minutes.

You could easily use the SIM in some sort of gateway device and start offering a calling card service where you resell the time.

probbaly the case., Interesting that 2D reserve the right to charge you for excessive usage if they want to.
"(f) We may charge you at our discretion for Excessive Usage, which if we do so will be at our standard rates."

That is pretty scary - particularly since you don't know just how much usage is defined as 'excessive'

AFAIK previous 'unlimited' type plans in the market (like Big Time, Non-stop text, Best Mate etc etc) do not do this. They might switch you off or force you to change plans if your usage is excessive, but you will not be charged for usage up to that point.

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#417708 15-Dec-2010 15:41

SteveON: This is pretty sweet, I was thinking about the sim cards in PABX, now all the traffic can be routed via the 2degrees network no matter where they are calling... Saving companies heaps!

Perhaps I should forward our 0800 number cancel our landlines and do the same at work :D

I'm guessing that would run foul of 'fair use'? Depends on how much calling you put through it of course.

*Edit* in fact is specifically prohibited under fair use policy.

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#417717 15-Dec-2010 15:52

n4:
SteveON: This is pretty sweet, I was thinking about the sim cards in PABX, now all the traffic can be routed via the 2degrees network no matter where they are calling... Saving companies heaps!

Perhaps I should forward our 0800 number cancel our landlines and do the same at work :D

I'm guessing that would run foul of 'fair use'? Depends on how much calling you put through it of course.

*Edit* in fact is specifically prohibited under fair use policy.

I would say that fair use would be 1000-2000 minutes, kind of like best mates was/is...

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#417718 15-Dec-2010 15:53

NonprayingMantis:
graemeh:
NonprayingMantis: From the press release:
"Sole business operators especially, who routinely rack up a huge monthly bill for their mobile phone calling as part of their job, will find this new plan to be a God-send,? says Mr Moore. "

and then the fair use policy states:
http://www.2degreesmobile.co.nz/fairusepolicy

"In no case does any Service allow for activities aimed at making profit "

what are sole business owners doing if not engaged in activities aimed at making a profit?

I haven't read the fair use policy but I think based on reading some of their other terms and conditions this is aimed at stopping you from reselling the minutes.

You could easily use the SIM in some sort of gateway device and start offering a calling card service where you resell the time.

probbaly the case., Interesting that 2D reserve the right to charge you for excessive usage if they want to.
"(f) We may charge you at our discretion for Excessive Usage, which if we do so will be at our standard rates."

That is pretty scary - particularly since you don't know just how much usage is defined as 'excessive'

AFAIK previous 'unlimited' type plans in the market (like Big Time, Non-stop text, Best Mate etc etc) do not do this. They might switch you off or force you to change plans if your usage is excessive, but you will not be charged for usage up to that point.

It is a little scary but unless you had huge usage (like using it 24x7 for outbound calling from a call centre) then I doubt they would do that. I suspect the most they would do is tell you to cut down or they would disconnect you.

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#417730 15-Dec-2010 16:08

graemeh:
NonprayingMantis:
graemeh:
NonprayingMantis: From the press release:
"Sole business operators especially, who routinely rack up a huge monthly bill for their mobile phone calling as part of their job, will find this new plan to be a God-send,? says Mr Moore. "

and then the fair use policy states:
http://www.2degreesmobile.co.nz/fairusepolicy

"In no case does any Service allow for activities aimed at making profit "

what are sole business owners doing if not engaged in activities aimed at making a profit?

I haven't read the fair use policy but I think based on reading some of their other terms and conditions this is aimed at stopping you from reselling the minutes.

You could easily use the SIM in some sort of gateway device and start offering a calling card service where you resell the time.

probbaly the case., Interesting that 2D reserve the right to charge you for excessive usage if they want to.
"(f) We may charge you at our discretion for Excessive Usage, which if we do so will be at our standard rates."

That is pretty scary - particularly since you don't know just how much usage is defined as 'excessive'

AFAIK previous 'unlimited' type plans in the market (like Big Time, Non-stop text, Best Mate etc etc) do not do this. They might switch you off or force you to change plans if your usage is excessive, but you will not be charged for usage up to that point.

It is a little scary but unless you had huge usage (like using it 24x7 for outbound calling from a call centre) then I doubt they would do that. I suspect the most they would do is tell you to cut down or they would disconnect you.

It's probably a good idea for anyone interested in the plan to read the Fair Use Policy in it's entirety. Picking short quotes out of context from the policy may just confuse matters. The policy is reasonably short and is written in fairly easy-to-read language - not pages and pages of legalese.

Fair Use Policy: http://www.2degreesmobile.co.nz/fairusepolicy

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#417756 15-Dec-2010 16:56

keewee01: That's incredible! Well Done 2degrees - AGAIN!

Shame on you VF and Telecom!

Me thinks this might really stir up the landscape - even if it is limited to the first 10,000 who dash to it... can't see it still being available come Jan 31st!

Vodafone have had an "unlimited" plan since earlier in the year - TalkZone Zero. For roughly the same price ($~150) you get "unlimited" calling but don't get SMS and data like 2degrees are offering.

The only significant difference between the two is that 2degreses make their offer available to anybody, TalkZone Zero is only available to customers with a minimum of 5 mobiles. The lack of knowledge of Vodafone's deal in the marketplace is quite surprising given the amount of advertising they did.

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#417758 15-Dec-2010 17:03

ajw:?
Or send a email to

#########@2degreesmobile.co.nz the marketing manager at 2 degrees and ask him what figure fair use policy applies.

There is no secret figure that triggers the fair use policy. If you follow the guidelines in the fair use policy you'll be fine. There is a cap of 120 minutes per phone call - but that's the policy for all 2degrees plans, including prepay.

{MOD EDIT : SP : Removed e-mail address and the original reply to prevent spam}

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#417759 15-Dec-2010 17:03

sbiddle:
keewee01: That's incredible! Well Done 2degrees - AGAIN!

Shame on you VF and Telecom!

Me thinks this might really stir up the landscape - even if it is limited to the first 10,000 who dash to it... can't see it still being available come Jan 31st!

Vodafone have had an "unlimited" plan since earlier in the year - TalkZone Zero. For roughly the same price ($~150) you get "unlimited" calling but don't get SMS and data like 2degrees are offering.

The only significant difference between the two is that 2degreses make their offer available to anybody, TalkZone Zero is only available to customers with a minimum of 5 mobiles. The lack of knowledge of Vodafone's deal in the marketplace is quite surprising given the amount of advertising they did.

That's a significant difference if you're a sole trader/tradesman...

And the (any-net) SMS and data are quite a big deal too. Is there a minimum term on the VF plan?

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#417766 15-Dec-2010 17:16

http://www.vodafone.co.nz/business/plans/talkzone-plans.jsp

Looks like the talkzone is an additional $136 per connection... So each phone must have a plan, starting at around $20 and there must be a minimum of 5 in total.

No terms as you would assume that each plan would be a different deal. so really thats pretty expensive.

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