I may be NZ's biggest residential broadband customer for February.

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#597244 19-Mar-2012 16:23

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Zeon: Just ahd a look at our Router and we have used about 6TB in the last month for a service we only pay around $700-$800 a month for with at Orcon which works out around $0.13/GB (and includes a lot of other stuff too). Pretty sure they are creaming it on the usage charges, especially for EUBA or LLU connections lol.

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Telecom quoted me over $4000/month for a 100 Mb/s connection, so you have a good deal there! Unfortunately, after 2.5 weeks Orcon still hasn't reponded to a request for pricing...

But I digress!

WTF? Where abouts do you live and is there fibre in your street (be it Chorus, Vector, Telstra or Citylink?). You can get a 100mbps connection with unlimited national on Citylink for like $400. international is usually a bit more expensive e.g. $1000 a month for 10mbps with Orcon (they are paying around $30 per mbps I think).

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#597245 19-Mar-2012 16:23

mercutio: i'm not running flash and it still happened to me.

and it's not once a second...

It's not flash. It's Javascript. Disable Javascript, open the page and the image only loads once.

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#597246 19-Mar-2012 16:24

freitasm: Continuing... That seems to be a P2P-based search engine. Basically if you install the software your PC will be part of their search engine, indexing, etc. It will use YOUR bandwidth.

This is the same as someone who a couple of years ago complained about his braodband using gigabytes, when "nothing has changed". When pressed, yes, something was installed... He was running a TOR exit point, in his "effort to help the free speech".

There you go.

that a peer to peer search program you download may use a lot of bandwidth is understandable. but going at line rate for updating some HUGE image multiple times a second when just browsing a web site is NOT normal.

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#597247 19-Mar-2012 16:25

freitasm:
mercutio: i'm not running flash and it still happened to me.

and it's not once a second...

It's not flash. It's Javascript. Disable Javascript, open the page and the image only loads once.

oh right, i didn't read your second not. oops. yeh javascript could be it.

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#597248 19-Mar-2012 16:25

mercutio:
freitasm: Continuing... That seems to be a P2P-based search engine. Basically if you install the software your PC will be part of their search engine, indexing, etc. It will use YOUR bandwidth.

This is the same as someone who a couple of years ago complained about his braodband using gigabytes, when "nothing has changed". When pressed, yes, something was installed... He was running a TOR exit point, in his "effort to help the free speech".

There you go.

that a peer to peer search program you download may use a lot of bandwidth is understandable. but going at line rate for updating some HUGE image multiple times a second when just browsing a web site is NOT normal.

They coded the web page like that. Stop visiting the page, or disable images on that page. As simple as that.

It happens on Firefox as well.

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#597249 19-Mar-2012 16:26

I left it open for a couple of minutes and went through almost 100MB.

Crappy page. Never to be visited again.

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#597251 19-Mar-2012 16:28

freitasm:
mercutio:
freitasm: Continuing... That seems to be a P2P-based search engine. Basically if you install the software your PC will be part of their search engine, indexing, etc. It will use YOUR bandwidth.

This is the same as someone who a couple of years ago complained about his braodband using gigabytes, when "nothing has changed". When pressed, yes, something was installed... He was running a TOR exit point, in his "effort to help the free speech".

There you go.

that a peer to peer search program you download may use a lot of bandwidth is understandable. but going at line rate for updating some HUGE image multiple times a second when just browsing a web site is NOT normal.

They coded the web page like that. Stop visiting the page, or disable images on that page. As simple as that.

It happens on Firefox as well.

well i'm just interested from the point of view of a web page being able to lead someone to being charged a lot of money without them realising that they were being impacted.

it also used quite a bit of cpu. the thing is i was prewarned.

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#597252 19-Mar-2012 16:29

mercutio: well i'm just interested from the point of view of a web page being able to lead someone to being charged a lot of money without them realising that they were being impacted.

it also used quite a bit of cpu. the thing is i was prewarned.

Obviously whoever is behind that page doesn't give a damn to your, mine, or the OP's bandwidth utilisation.

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#597254 19-Mar-2012 16:31

freitasm:
mercutio: well i'm just interested from the point of view of a web page being able to lead someone to being charged a lot of money without them realising that they were being impacted.

it also used quite a bit of cpu. the thing is i was prewarned.

Obviously whoever is behind that page doesn't give a damn to your, mine, or the OP's bandwidth utilisation.

or has a bug that they haven't noticed.

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#597255 19-Mar-2012 16:32

googling for it i found out it happens in opera too.

http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=1195922&t=1332127842&page=1#comment11447292

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#597256 19-Mar-2012 16:32

i'm curious rjh, how did you get on with orcon about this issue?

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#597257 19-Mar-2012 16:33

Either way, to answer the OP... It's not Orcon's fault, so yes, I'm sorry, it's in your bill. Orcon might be nice and wipe part of it, but it's like people going to the papers to complain about paying a large amount of money on mobile data roaming, when the prices are listed.

I recommend contacting the web site in question and complaining. And not visiting it, or not leaving that page open. I actually close my browser when not using it, and shutdown my PC when not using it.

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#597934 20-Mar-2012 21:05

freitasm:

This is not a Chrome problem. This is not a flash problem. This is not an ad problem. That image is being reloaded constantly by a script, showing their peer-to-peer network status on a second by second basis.

Just right-click the image, select "Inspect Element" and you will see in Developer Tools that the image querystring is constantly being changed by a script.

Solution: stop visiting that page. Or block that image.

That is very easy to say - in retrospect. Of course, it is obvious!

Step back and think about the situation when somebody loads that page as a background tab, among many other tabs; there is no way of knowing that network use has just skyrocketed. In fact, even a casual glance at the page wouldn't show there is a problem - the Vimeo vid isn't even buffering (as normal) and the network graphic is well below the first screen, and even looking at it closely it wouldn't be obvious it is refreshing like crazy - it is too small and is such a mess (in fact, it is pretty pointless).

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#597935 20-Mar-2012 21:05

freitasm: Continuing... That seems to be a P2P-based search engine. Basically if you install the software your PC will be part of their search engine, indexing, etc. It will use YOUR bandwidth.

This is the same as someone who a couple of years ago complained about his braodband using gigabytes, when "nothing has changed". When pressed, yes, something was installed... He was running a TOR exit point, in his "effort to help the free speech".

There you go.

I don't think that it is helpful to confuse the matter by raising the P2P issue - apart from being the subject of the web page causing the problem, it isn't relevant. I haven't installed the software and don't intend to.

The situation here is solely loading a web page in a background tab, not running P2P software or TOR.

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#597939 20-Mar-2012 21:07

rjh:
freitasm:

This is not a Chrome problem. This is not a flash problem. This is not an ad problem. That image is being reloaded constantly by a script, showing their peer-to-peer network status on a second by second basis.

Just right-click the image, select "Inspect Element" and you will see in Developer Tools that the image querystring is constantly being changed by a script.

Solution: stop visiting that page. Or block that image.

That is very easy to say - in retrospect. Of course, it is obvious!

Step back and think about the situation when somebody loads that page as a background tab, among many other tabs; there is no way of knowing that network use has just skyrocketed. In fact, even a casual glance at the page wouldn't show there is a problem - the Vimeo vid isn't even buffering (as normal) and the network graphic is well below the first screen, and even looking at it closely it wouldn't be obvious it is refreshing like crazy - it is too small and is such a mess (in fact, it is pretty pointless).

Still, it's not an Orcon problem. As I said, they could come and waive part of the bill, but that would be a good will act.

rjh:
freitasm: Continuing... That seems to be a P2P-based search engine. Basically if you install the software your PC will be part of their search engine, indexing, etc. It will use YOUR bandwidth.

This is the same as someone who a couple of years ago complained about his braodband using gigabytes, when "nothing has changed". When pressed, yes, something was installed... He was running a TOR exit point, in his "effort to help the free speech".

There you go.

I don't think that it is helpful to confuse the matter by raising the P2P issue - apart from being the subject of the web page causing the problem, it isn't relevant. I haven't installed the software and don't intend to.

The situation here is solely loading a web page in a background tab, not running P2P software or TOR.

My point was that many times I've seen people complaining about usage when they didn't know what was happening on their computer.

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