Anyone tried Kordia's new low latency link to Microsoft?

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#101721 7-May-2012 15:47

http://www.kordia.co.nz/_blog/What's_new/post/link_to_Microsoft/

As the title says... Anyone tried it?

Would it really make much of a difference?

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#621140 7-May-2012 17:55

Link doesn't work?

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#621147 7-May-2012 18:03

It does... but the active link seems broken...

I thought I would be kind and make it a clickable link.. oh well.

Just copy this
http://www.kordia.co.nz/_blog/What's_new/post/link_to_Microsoft/

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#622598 9-May-2012 23:03

The latency makes a huge difference in Office 365 and CRM Online performance.

I've done a bunch of testing and found that some ISPs have latency around the 130ms mark to Singapore (where the datacenters are) while others have latency that is well over 300ms.

Some routes go:
Auckland-Sydney-Perth-Singapore (shortest path I have found)
Auckland-USA-Japan-Singapore
Auckland-Sydney-Guam-Japan-Singapore

those with 130ms latency were getting around 80-100KB/sec throughput whilst those with 300ms+ latency were getting 20-30KB/sec throughput.

Record loads in CRM Online could be more than two times slower on an ISP with 300ms+ latency versus one with only 130ms. For example, a page load going from <2 seconds to ~5 seconds.

I've not yet had a go on a kordia link, but I will do so when I get a chance. I wonder what the actual latency is on one of their links.

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#622599 9-May-2012 23:04

oh, and one ISP was pushing well over 500ms latency at one stage...

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#622843 10-May-2012 13:03

Regs: The latency makes a huge difference in Office 365 and CRM Online performance.

I've done a bunch of testing and found that some ISPs have latency around the 130ms mark to Singapore (where the datacenters are) while others have latency that is well over 300ms.

Some routes go:
Auckland-Sydney-Perth-Singapore (shortest path I have found)
Auckland-USA-Japan-Singapore
Auckland-Sydney-Guam-Japan-Singapore

those with 130ms latency were getting around 80-100KB/sec throughput whilst those with 300ms+ latency were getting 20-30KB/sec throughput.

Orcon tends to have really high latency to Asia as they're doing a lot of their transit through Odyssey to Los Angeles.

Do you have a destination IP, I'm curious what different providers latency is to there, I know to sea.battle.net which is in Singapore Orcon is pretty bad, and Kordia being Orcon's parent company it's kind of amusing about offering lower latency. Lower than what? Telstraclear (who tend to have good latency) or Orcon?

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#623226 10-May-2012 21:57

I would love to have a domain or IP which I can do some ping tests to where Office365 servers are.
Office365.com blocks them.

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#623238 10-May-2012 22:12

These may be relevant for testing:
http://speedtest.microsoftonline.com/ (North America)
http://speedtest.apac.microsoftonline.com/ (Asia Pacific)
http://speedtest.emea.microsoftonline.com/ (Europe, Middle East, Africa)

The Asia Pacific network has peering in Sydney so I'm assuming that's where Kordia have their on-net interconnect.

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#623240 10-May-2012 22:16

Speedtests require Java? Really, Microsoft?

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#623250 10-May-2012 22:24

freitasm: Speedtests require Java? Really, Microsoft?

It's either java, flash or silverlight for the kinds of tests it's doing.

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#623251 10-May-2012 22:25

freitasm: Speedtests require Java? Really, Microsoft?

it's much better than requiring that microsoft flash like thing.

java is cross platform, and more suited to this kind of thing than flash.

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#623254 10-May-2012 22:27

yitz: These may be relevant for testing:
http://speedtest.microsoftonline.com/ (North America)
http://speedtest.apac.microsoftonline.com/ (Asia Pacific)
http://speedtest.emea.microsoftonline.com/ (Europe, Middle East, Africa)

The Asia Pacific network has peering in Sydney so I'm assuming that's where Kordia have their on-net interconnect.

well it looks like the normal telstraclear route to the apac server is fine, but orcon's routing via los angeles with over twice the ping of telstraclear.

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#623265 10-May-2012 22:42

On Telecom at home I get much higher download speed (12Mbit vs 3Mbit) from US vs APAC however lower latency to APAC using tcp trace route via nmap

nmap -Pn --traceroute -p 80 speedtest.apac.microsoftonline.com

TRACEROUTE (using port 80/tcp)
HOP RTT ADDRESS
...
4 40.00 ms mdr-fid-int.akbr5.global-gateway.net.nz (202.37.244.222)
5 40.00 ms ae4-10.akbr5.global-gateway.net.nz (202.37.244.221)
6 39.00 ms xe3-1-0.tkbr9.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.232.74)
7 63.00 ms xe0-1-0.sebr1.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.232.14)
8 268.00 ms ae1-10.sebr2.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.232.242)
9 61.00 ms microsoft-2.sebr2.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.232.6)
10 164.00 ms ge-7-3-2-0.sin-64cbe-1b.ntwk.msn.net (207.46.41.76)
11 ... 14
15 165.00 ms vrs601.apac.microsoftonline.com (207.46.62.183)

nmap -Pn --traceroute -p 80 speedtest.microsoftonline.com

TRACEROUTE (using port 80/tcp)
HOP RTT ADDRESS
...
4 40..00 ms mdr-fid-int.akbr5.global-gateway.net.nz (202.37.244.222)
5 40.00 ms ae4-10.akbr5.global-gateway.net.nz (202.37.244.221)
6 39.00 ms xe3-1-0.tkbr9.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.232.74)
7 163.00 ms ae2-3.labr5.global-gateway.net.nz (203.96.120.142)
8 167.00 ms ae0-3.lebr6.global-gateway.net.nz (203.96.120.86)
9 161.00 ms 8075-lax.msn.net (206.223.123.17)
10 165.00 ms 8075-lax.msn.net (206.223.123.17)
11 221.00 ms ge-3-1-0-0.bl2-64c-1a.ntwk.msn.net (207.46.43.57)
12 237.00 ms ge-0-0-0-0.bl2-64c-1b.ntwk.msn.net (207.46.43.85)
13 216.00 ms 65.55.166.110
14 222.00 ms ten8-1.bl2-76e-2.ntwk.msn.net (207.46.47.147)
15 ...
16 219.00 ms vrs801.noam.microsoftonline.com (65.55.171.183)

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#623267 10-May-2012 22:43

Side question: Are their any similar speed test addresses for Google Apps?

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#623299 10-May-2012 23:14

I find that with international latency you're always facing moving target as each provider en route to your destination is balancing traffic between various peers, or even changing who they peer with. Some links may be congested, and there may be commercial reasons why traffic does not take the shortest path.

One ISP may be fastest today, another ISP the next. It could even vary between users on the same ISP for the above reasons, so unless there is a single provider involved in wrangling packets both to and from the other side you're going to be disappointed at some point in time. From the sounds of it, Kordia have put arrangements in place to ensure their traffic is routed via the most direct route at all times.

Currently I'm getting 145ms to that first speedtest site, and 209ms to the second which seems fine for now, but it's the internet, so it's very hard/ near impossible to guarantee end to end latency when traffic crosses other networks.

Personally I think it sucks that MS undercuts the price hosting companies could offer the same services for locally with the office365 product... Should be able to host productivity apps in NZ for less.

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#623330 11-May-2012 02:48

insane: I find that with international latency you're always facing moving target as each provider en route to your destination is balancing traffic between various peers, or even changing who they peer with. Some links may be congested, and there may be commercial reasons why traffic does not take the shortest path.

telecom/global gateway and Microsoft have recently made some changes to traffic routing/transit. Microsoft has a route from Singapore to Sydney where it pops out on equinix and global gateway hooks directly into this. when this kicked in, the latency went from 160ms down to 130ms. this should be pretty stable as its basically a know path all the way there.

i'm with callplus and they use global gateway for international bandwidth now, so I get about the same connectivity as telecom customers - both bandwidth and latency was about the same in my tests.

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