[Snap] Is VDSL worth it?

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bbunnys

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#101916 11-May-2012 16:46

Looking at maybe getting vdsl, but few questions.

Firstly pricing from what i can work out its $50 more per month over standard adsl plan.

Also how much faster should i expect it to be. Example i use netload alot and normally get speeds of about 1.5 MB/sec, would that increase.

And lastly get issues some evenings with youtube etc buffering. Would this solve this or is it still limited to what ever bandwith i can get, so wont help buffering etc.

Also thinking then I can go to VOP and get rid of home phone. Is there much required in setup and cost doing this side of it.

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#623613 11-May-2012 17:01

Depending on what your sync / attn is like at the moment it may be worth it.

I'm only sitting on 35mbit downstream but it's still good, Plus the 10mbit up is a big bonus.

It's good for either really heavy users or a large flat so it's not overly taxed if you've got online gamers etc while people are skyping and downloading files.

I run VoIP on mine and it's works great - Also no issues with youtube normally unless it's a new video coming from somewhere far far away.

gmball

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#623615 11-May-2012 17:23

Agree that it depends on your current sync rates, I currently sync to the cabinet at 19Mbps 1Mbps up, wouldn't make a huge difference in my case to change to VDSL.

Better to take advantage of the increasing data caps on ADSL2.

At this stage, given that Telecom have recently increased our data cap to be well in excess of our monthly data requirements (Now 120GB), don't even see the immediate need to switch to UFB in the short term.

There don't seem to be too many online services out there which justify the need for VDSL or UFB (Fibre), plus the data cap offerings are larger and more affordable on ADSL2.

Just my 2 cents.

McGee

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#623617 11-May-2012 17:30

gmball: Agree that it depends on your current sync rates, I currently sync to the cabinet at 19Mbps 1Mbps up, wouldn't make a huge difference in my case to change to VDSL.

I actually reckon yours would hit 40-50mbit on that tbh. Mine was 12mbit ish from memory before going VDSL.

No guarantees tho :P

vexxxboy

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#623625 11-May-2012 17:46

you will also need a VDSL capable modem and they can be expensive, Snap sells and supports only the Fritz box, so if you dont have one you will need to get one. $345.00 is what Snap charges

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#623636 11-May-2012 18:09

VDSL is awesome. The End.

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#623643 11-May-2012 18:20

bbunnys: Looking at maybe getting vdsl, but few questions.

Firstly pricing from what i can work out its $50 more per month over standard adsl plan.

Also how much faster should i expect it to be. Example i use netload alot and normally get speeds of about 1.5 MB/sec, would that increase.

And lastly get issues some evenings with youtube etc buffering. Would this solve this or is it still limited to what ever bandwith i can get, so wont help buffering etc.

Also thinking then I can go to VOP and get rid of home phone. Is there much required in setup and cost doing this side of it.

All VDSL2 potentially offers is a faster line between your house and the ISP - that's it. I've seen speeds of 70/40, I've seen speeds of 4/2 - it's all different i'm afraid.

VDSL2 is very sensitive to the physical state of your copper line, the number of other technologies being used by the other copper lines inside the sheath (which is a collection of 200/400/800 copper lines from other houses etc, wrapped together and buried), the condition of the connection points (Cable point, External Point, your house wiring etc), on it goes.

When it works, it works very well. I run TCL Voip over TCL copper to a Thomson 789 at my desk, and it has never dropped a packet, lost a connection (except for power outages) and so on. But then TCL copper network is in generally better condition than Chorus.

You need to have a good ISP - smart guys with good, open lines of communication to Chorus Technical - to do this and take care of everything for you. You need to make clear that you won't accept a substandard service ("we tried, line is just too rubbish, but your'e in contract now so suck it up"), but after that, it's pretty good.

As with all such things, check the reasons why you want it. VDSL2 can have low latency, but after the DSLAM/copper line comes the ISP network and their backbone. Low latency line with an overloaded ISP network is pretty naif. GB Bundle and consistent speed is what I think you're after.

As for YouTube buffering: that's a function of the Google kit, size of it's international link, and number of other users hitting it..... a busy network and a busy box means it's busy trying to give everyone service.

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#623712 11-May-2012 20:08

bbunnys:
Also how much faster should i expect it to be. Example i use netload alot and normally get speeds of about 1.5 MB/sec, would that increase.

And lastly get issues some evenings with youtube etc buffering. Would this solve this or is it still limited to what ever bandwith i can get, so wont help buffering etc.

Also thinking then I can go to VOP and get rid of home phone. Is there much required in setup and cost doing this side of it.

VDSL will give you a faster connection to the cabinet, and probably to NZ based servers (through local peering).

It's very much dependant on the ISP as to whether any International traffic will be faster or not. If you switch ISP to one which has worse bandwidth then it may well be slower.

Setting up VoIP isn't too difficult, you just need an ATA or phone and an account with a service provider. You should be able to get an account for around $10/month.

nicegear.co.nz - VoIP, DVB and other Linux compatible hardware

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#623782 11-May-2012 21:57

Actually I have a 70Mbit/10Mbit connection and I can download all day every day from usenet in the USA at 7.1-7.4MB/s (Yes big B). Whilst I wouldn't expect that from every site and every location, it's going to be more about what is at the other end..

If you are with Snap, expect your youtube issues to continue, they don't really seem to have a clue what's wrong and fixing it hardly seems a priority.

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#623783 11-May-2012 22:00

i would say no. i can put some states up later. i think i have really good vdsl compard to most. the cabinet is located on my property. i have a 17a profile and to be honest it is not that much better then my old adsl connection...........

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#623808 11-May-2012 22:18

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bbunnys

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#623869 12-May-2012 06:43

Thanks for replys guys,

Seems like it might not be woth it for the extra cost in my case at this stage.

frizianz

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#623924 12-May-2012 10:56

NZFINEST:

Im confused to how 70/10 is not any better that ADSL? hmmm 8MB/s vs 3MB/S? Hmm...

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#623931 12-May-2012 11:10

frizianz:

Im confused to how 70/10 is not any better that ADSL? hmmm 8MB/s vs 3MB/S? Hmm...

Put it this way.. How much faster is a Ferrari F50 than an 850cc mini if your journey covers roads that have a 60kmh speed limit?

Sure, you might lay rubber to the end of your driveway, but VDSL is only the first ~700 metres of your connection to the ENTIRE WORLD.

Cheers -N

ps - Of course it's better - but falling for the headline rates is a sure path to disappointment.

Please note all comments are from my own brain and don't necessarily represent the position or opinions of my employer, previous employers, colleagues, friends or pets.

McGee

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#623933 12-May-2012 11:16

I love my VDSL, It's not super fast like some lucky people on 17a but it's great for downloading linux ISOs etc.

Uploading is also great, Specially when you work as a photographer and for online backups.

It's a great tool if you plan to use it wisely.

hads

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#623960 12-May-2012 12:15

McGee: I love my VDSL, It's not super fast like some lucky people on 17a but it's great for downloading linux ISOs etc.

Uploading is also great, Specially when you work as a photographer and for online backups.

It's a great tool if you plan to use it wisely.

Certainly not saying that it isn't great - it is. The upload difference is fantastic, especially for uploading video to local servers.

What I am saying is that if you're looking for faster downloads from International servers then VDSL isn't the answer.

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