Rewiring the home for a smarter / faster Genius

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DeepBlueSky

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#105218 29-Jun-2012 13:47

Hi Guys,

After reading up on how you can add a master splitter and use your home phones in the same way as the old POTS Analogue setup.

I’m keen to find out the best way to rewire the home phone, I have read from overseas sites that the recommended home wiring is now Cat 5 or 6 Ethernet cable.

I have a 1940’s house with a bell ringer on the wall off a relay I would guess.

If I add a master splitter where the phone comes into the house and run Cat 6 to the phone jack will that improve my connection speed.

Any and all suggestions appreciated.

cyril7

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#648206 29-Jun-2012 13:59

Hi, cat5e is fine, cat6 is also fine but will offer no advantage for your DSL connection. If you are using the Genius and going Naked then you dont need a master filter although to include one will have no detrimental effect of consequence.

So if you are going naked then run a new cat5e or 6 cable with not taps to any other outlet directly to an outlet that only the modem connects to. If you are not going naked (ie will continue to take pots from Telecom) then you will need a master filter ideally at the demarc, although if its older wiring there will be no demarc so install it in the ceiling space or under the house whereever is convenient but you must ensure that the filter is the only and first thing to connect to the line from the street. From the filter run a new cat5e/6 cable to your modem from the modem port of the filter and wire the voice port to the remaining house sockets as suits.

PS and drop the hall ringer please

Cyril

DeepBlueSky

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#648220 29-Jun-2012 14:34

Hi Cyril7

UberGeekNZ Wrote the following in a topic and it looks like great way foward.

Disclosure: I work for Orcon as a Voice Engineer. I'm certainly not trying to force your opinion either way but I just want to clarify a couple of points :)

Genius (and Genius Lite) allow you to plug or cable in POTS phones, it has an analog port just for this purpose.

If you have a master filter installed, and have a Phone and a DSL socket next to where your router lives, simply plug DSL jack into the DSL socket, and the Phone jack to the phone socket.

Then clip the wires on the phone side of the master filter (leave enough tail to reconnect them later if you want to).

Now all your phones will work as before, but using the Genius for connectivity.

As for voice quality, I have Genius at home and it's been crystal clear for me, as a long time phone tech I'm quite picky about these things, too. I have heard about problems some time ago but to my knowledge they are long since resolved.

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#648224 29-Jun-2012 14:40

I dont think he has said anything different to what I said, but hey only being playing with this stuff for 30odd years getting a bit rusty on it.

Cyril

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#648232 29-Jun-2012 14:45

And Cyril7, I'll replace the bell Ringer :).

Proposed Plan
1. Find out where the external phone cable comes into the house
2. Rewire this with CAT cable run this through to the jack point (is there a need for a master jack these days ?)
3. Install a two connector jack RJ11's
4. Connect Genius DSL to the rewired CAT jack point
5. Connect the other run to the existing wiring (making sure the bell ringer is out of the loop.)

Would this work what are your thoughts.

DeepBlueSky

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#648234 29-Jun-2012 14:46

I should add thanks for your help Cyril7 its appreciated :)

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#648249 29-Jun-2012 14:52

Hi, no worries, its not clear from you comments if you are going to use a master filter and if its a naked connection or not. As for RJ11 sockets what were you planning to use (ie from where), I personally would recommend that you go with a pair of RJ45s as RJ11 phone sockets are not really recognised in NZ as a standard, they are in Oz, US and many other countries.

From what you describe you infact are going naked and intend to wire the ATA output to the remaining house wiring, which is correct.

Master jack is not needed if you wire as you plan.

Cyril

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#648252 29-Jun-2012 14:53

Re-wiring the house with cat5e or cat6 in a proper star wiring config is the best way to go, then you can patch any port to be voice or network at your central point/cabinet

TCF guidelines for premises wiring
http://www.tcf.org.nz/content/02b3940f-1b3b-4cc8-bfc6-28173756da29.html

See here for a practical example
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/hazza87/7956
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/hazza87/7970

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DeepBlueSky

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#648260 29-Jun-2012 14:57

Cheers Guys, this is a really interesting Topic for me.

Yes I will be using a Naked setup with the phone connected downstream from the Orcon Genius router.

antoniosk

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#648280 29-Jun-2012 15:30

DeepBlueSky: Hi Cyril7

UberGeekNZ Wrote the following in a topic and it looks like great way foward.

Disclosure: I work for Orcon as a Voice Engineer. I'm certainly not trying to force your opinion either way but I just want to clarify a couple of points :)

Genius (and Genius Lite) allow you to plug or cable in POTS phones, it has an analog port just for this purpose.

If you have a master filter installed, and have a Phone and a DSL socket next to where your router lives, simply plug DSL jack into the DSL socket, and the Phone jack to the phone socket.

Then clip the wires on the phone side of the master filter (leave enough tail to reconnect them later if you want to).

Now all your phones will work as before, but using the Genius for connectivity.

As for voice quality, I have Genius at home and it's been crystal clear for me, as a long time phone tech I'm quite picky about these things, too. I have heard about problems some time ago but to my knowledge they are long since resolved.

What about if you just have a classic NZ Master socket ?

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Antoniosk