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#19604 23-Feb-2008 15:27
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Does the unused data block purchased carried over to next month ?

If the answer is no, why not ?

Xnet will only charge for data used if  it's less than intended block set with the slider.

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  #112492 23-Feb-2008 15:47
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It doesn't carry over. Why, because that's the way Telecom manages it.

using Slingshot datablocks are cheaper than xnet if you get alot of data.

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  #112493 23-Feb-2008 15:58
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Then how does Xnet offer 'as you use' it charges? Surely this is a slingshot policy rather than a Telecom policy.

Statements about slingshot pricing can be highly subjective, if you buy a brand new 50GB data block and only use 1/4 of it, it is almost certainly cheaper to be with Xnet.




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  #112495 23-Feb-2008 16:14
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I will be moving house soon, I am tossing between Slingshot and Xnet.

Why Slingshot will not let me carried over that data block I purchased the month before!
I bought it isn't it ?

May be Slingshot should look into it since they are now floating the idea of peak /off peak data block.

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  #112502 23-Feb-2008 17:02
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Datablocks expiring has been mention a few times on the Slingshot forum, and Scott H has said that they will be looking at this.

If you can wait until early next month, you well see alot of new offers as the financial yeah ticks over.

To stop picking, it may have been on the callplus contact but it was on telecoms that datablocks expire. Every other isp reselling the telecom has had to give to that kind of restriction. I base that on market image. Each isp got to get an extra point on two on the other but mostly it was a standard kind of deal. oh umm sorry was still being picky and I don't want to play the blame game.

pricing can be highly subjective to each user. if you brought to much data, then you need to understand your data usage.
if you could not use it due to network issues then I'm sure a call to the helpdesk would have positive results.

i think it sucks they expire.

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#112519 23-Feb-2008 18:16
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hellonearthisman: Datablocks expiring has been mention a few times on the Slingshot forum, and Scott H has said that they will be looking at this.

If you can wait until early next month, you well see alot of new offers as the financial yeah ticks over.

To stop picking, it may have been on the callplus contact but it was on telecoms that datablocks expire. Every other isp reselling the telecom has had to give to that kind of restriction. I base that on market image. Each isp got to get an extra point on two on the other but mostly it was a standard kind of deal. oh umm sorry was still being picky and I don't want to play the blame game.


That still doesn't explain worldxchange (you don't pay for set data blocks).... are they getting more favourable pricing??? Or is it just urban rumors that go through the slingshot forum?




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  #112534 23-Feb-2008 19:14
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cokemaster: That still doesn't explain worldxchange (you don't pay for set data blocks).... are they getting more favourable pricing??? Or is it just urban rumors that go through the slingshot forum?


You pay more per GB than some of the slingshot block costs, but that's just picking at threads.

I think each isp has a different contract, but when telecom came to the table they used the same one, again and again.
If you would like to search the Slingshot forum, you will see this block expiring has been in conversation.

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  #112538 23-Feb-2008 19:22
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hellonearthisman:
cokemaster: That still doesn't explain worldxchange (you don't pay for set data blocks).... are they getting more favourable pricing??? Or is it just urban rumors that go through the slingshot forum?


You pay more per GB than some of the slingshot block costs, but that's just picking at threads.


But the key difference is that:
* Slingshot may have slightly cheaper data, but the data does not roll over. So may turn out being much more.
* WorldxChange has slightly higher (but not by much), but you only pay for what you use. Which in many cases can be cheaper than committing to large data blocks from slingshot.

It goes to show that some players don't have the 'buy in bulk' scheme, which no doubt is quite profitable because people buy big amounts and might not use everything up, only to repeat the next month.

At the end of the day, buyer beware.




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  #112544 23-Feb-2008 19:49
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cokemaster:
hellonearthisman:
cokemaster: That still doesn't explain worldxchange (you don't pay for set data blocks).... are they getting more favourable pricing??? Or is it just urban rumors that go through the slingshot forum?


You pay more per GB than some of the slingshot block costs, but that's just picking at threads.


But the key difference is that:
* Slingshot may have slightly cheaper data, but the data does not roll over. So may turn out being much more.
* WorldxChange has slightly higher (but not by much), but you only pay for what you use. Which in many cases can be cheaper than committing to large data blocks from slingshot.


I don't think the thread was on dataclocks not a who is cheaper, as that it's a personal usage, if you can manage it or not.

Slingshot is releasing new stuff last week, like the change to the dialup for BB users and the anti-spam.  I have heard that big new stuff's coming and it is the end of the financial year and there have been changes in the telco industry.  If the find a better way to manage datablocks, that's unknow, but they know there customers would like some change.

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#112551 23-Feb-2008 20:53
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I don't think the thread was on dataclocks not a who is cheaper, as that it's a personal usage, if you can manage it or not.


Good try.

You were the one that brought up the price. I was mearly pointing out that despite your claims of Telecom somewhat forcing providers to buy big blocks and Slingshot passing that onto the customer, that WorldxChange is bucking the tread by only charging for usage. This is consistent with the first post of the thread.

WorldxChange obviously are making money, as its not good business practices to not make a profit... thus the questions - why slingshot why? I suspect that its a slingshot based policy but you seem to differ.




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  #112777 24-Feb-2008 20:52
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I have a headache at the moment so I am going to number my points. Im not trying to seem arrogant or belittling,

1) Over the last 10 years, Telecom have offered a huge amount of dsl plans to the ISP's. I think ISP's can still even order the old 128/64k plans for their users. I remember being on 128/64 10gb with orcon for something like $50 / mo. This was back when you had your telecom bill showing the base cost, and then your orcon bill showing their part.
I think that pretty much all the isp's are now using either a telecom FS/160k or a FS/FS connection from telecom to connect you to them. They then throttle you at the isp end as per your advertised plan speed. The ISP doesnt pay any extra to telecom no matter how much data you use over the connection. This is how slingshot are able to offer such cheap blocks and xnet can easily charge by the MB because their only extra cost is now the upstream traffic.

2) I dont believe that Telecom do the throttling or have anything to do with the data blocks at all. My reasoning is because when you have reached your cap, and are surfing at 64k, you can still access slingshot's website at full speed. See http://speedtest.slingshot.co.nz when you are throttled. Then compare it with your results at http://speedtest.net on the auckland server. You are clearly being throttled at the slingshot part of the network path.

3) If telecom had anything to do with data blocks, it would be too much work for them. A slingshot data block can take just 10 mins to be applied and your back to full speed. For telecom to have a control interface with slingshot so that the slingshot staff can make these changes, its just plain innovative. Being innovative isnt part of the Telecom strategy in the broadband market, especially for a competing ISP.

4) Up untill recently, before the stepping plans, if you were on a 'talk 200' cellphone plan and you didnt use all of your 200 minutes, did they roll over? No they didnt. What you didnt use was the providers extra profit. Many communications services are like this. I dont mind because for me its still cheaper than xnet and I dont mind going at 64k for a day or so each month if it makes my bill $20 cheaper than xnet and with an extra ~5gb of traffic.




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