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#225683 30-Nov-2017 11:05
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I live on a shared driveway (it's under my title) and have been "awaiting consent" since October 3rd. I was under the impression the law change in August should have come into effect by now, but it seems nothing has changed yet.


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  #1910980 30-Nov-2017 11:07
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Best to call them and ask for their status. maybe they are awaiting neighbor response?
Conveniently ignoring it? 


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  #1911006 30-Nov-2017 11:41
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The law change only helps certain properties, and it is only applicable to order submitted after October 2.

 

Read more about the different categories here. If you think it can be a category 1 or 2, check the date Orcon submitted it for you. If it's before October 2 ask them to resubmit.

 

If your case is a category 3, they're supposed to obtain consents in a month, there's usually a delay and you should it to take 3 months.


 
 
 
 




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  #1911049 30-Nov-2017 12:19
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Orcon lodged the application on October 3, so I'm good on that front. My property would be category 2 due to the conduits I've already installed under the driveway, unfortunately it's impossible to get this info to the people that matter and I'll bet I've been classified as category 3 :(


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  #1911091 30-Nov-2017 13:05
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Yeah Chorus is a bit behind with the consents, even when it's category 2. Ask Orcon and see if they will escalate your case.


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  #1911130 30-Nov-2017 14:21
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DarkShadow:

 

Yeah Chorus is a bit behind with the consents, even when it's category 2. Ask Orcon and see if they will escalate your case.

 

 

Chorus have strict grounds for RSP escalation:

 

1. Medical Emergency

 

2. Civil Defence or Essential Services

 

3. Missed Commitment

 

4. Provisioning Error

 

The first two are self explanatory. Missed Commitment is where a Chorus appointment was booked and confirmed but nobody showed up. Provisioning Error is where Chorus have made a mistake with the order, or the physical work onsite. A delay in gaining consent is none of these things, and therefore Chorus will not accept an escalation from any RSP in regards to delays during the consent process.

 

In regard to the conduit you installed - was this to service your own property only, or did you lay enough conduit to service every dwelling that shares the driveway? Chorus have a responsibility to provide a fibre lead in cable to every dwelling on the driveway at the time the first connection is made, so if you only laid conduit for yourself, they will still need to go down the full network design & build path to facilitate network capacity for everyone else on the driveway before your own connection can proceed.

 

If you did lay conduit for every dwelling, you can ask your RSP to place notes on the Chorus order to that effect, in an effort to bring it to their attention. Something like "The home owners sharing this driveway have already installed their own ducting, so they believe it should not require complex design & build. Please ask the Consent and/or Build teams to confirm and then proceed straight to scope". The Chorus provisioning team should pick this interaction up and pass it to the appropriate people for action.

 

It's not a guarantee, but generally this is how I get important messages from my customers passed on to the people who need them at Chorus. Unfortunately, RSPs are not permitted to contact the Chorus consent/build team directly. We can only pass messages to the Chorus provisioning team and then we have to trust that they pass them on to the appropriate channel.

 

And even if Chorus can use your ducting, they will most likely still need to do some minor build work to connect your duct to their own ducts on the roadside. This usually triggers a corridor access request which requires a rubber stamp from the local council, and additional wait time while it's processed. Doubly so if traffic management is required.

 

I'm not trying to dishearten you, I'm merely pointing out that what seems like a simple exercise in the eyes of a layman can quickly blow out to be something major. I wish you luck.





The views expressed by me are not necessarily those of my employer Chorus NZ Ltd


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  #1911155 30-Nov-2017 15:29
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Wheelbarrow01:

 

DarkShadow:

 

Yeah Chorus is a bit behind with the consents, even when it's category 2. Ask Orcon and see if they will escalate your case.

 

 

Chorus have strict grounds for RSP escalation:

 

1. Medical Emergency

 

2. Civil Defence or Essential Services

 

3. Missed Commitment

 

4. Provisioning Error

 

The first two are self explanatory. Missed Commitment is where a Chorus appointment was booked and confirmed but nobody showed up. Provisioning Error is where Chorus have made a mistake with the order, or the physical work onsite. A delay in gaining consent is none of these things, and therefore Chorus will not accept an escalation from any RSP in regards to delays during the consent process.

 

 

We've currently got multiple cases where Chorus accepted our escalation due to consents delay. So I guess while it's not in the official criteria it's still worth a go.


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  #1911161 30-Nov-2017 16:11
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Wheelbarrow01:

 

DarkShadow:

 

Yeah Chorus is a bit behind with the consents, even when it's category 2. Ask Orcon and see if they will escalate your case.

 

 

Chorus have strict grounds for RSP escalation:

 

1. Medical Emergency

 

2. Civil Defence or Essential Services

 

3. Missed Commitment

 

4. Provisioning Error

 

The first two are self explanatory. Missed Commitment is where a Chorus appointment was booked and confirmed but nobody showed up. Provisioning Error is where Chorus have made a mistake with the order, or the physical work onsite. A delay in gaining consent is none of these things, and therefore Chorus will not accept an escalation from any RSP in regards to delays during the consent process.

 

In regard to the conduit you installed - was this to service your own property only, or did you lay enough conduit to service every dwelling that shares the driveway? Chorus have a responsibility to provide a fibre lead in cable to every dwelling on the driveway at the time the first connection is made, so if you only laid conduit for yourself, they will still need to go down the full network design & build path to facilitate network capacity for everyone else on the driveway before your own connection can proceed.

 

If you did lay conduit for every dwelling, you can ask your RSP to place notes on the Chorus order to that effect, in an effort to bring it to their attention. Something like "The home owners sharing this driveway have already installed their own ducting, so they believe it should not require complex design & build. Please ask the Consent and/or Build teams to confirm and then proceed straight to scope". The Chorus provisioning team should pick this interaction up and pass it to the appropriate people for action.

 

It's not a guarantee, but generally this is how I get important messages from my customers passed on to the people who need them at Chorus. Unfortunately, RSPs are not permitted to contact the Chorus consent/build team directly. We can only pass messages to the Chorus provisioning team and then we have to trust that they pass them on to the appropriate channel.

 

And even if Chorus can use your ducting, they will most likely still need to do some minor build work to connect your duct to their own ducts on the roadside. This usually triggers a corridor access request which requires a rubber stamp from the local council, and additional wait time while it's processed. Doubly so if traffic management is required.

 

I'm not trying to dishearten you, I'm merely pointing out that what seems like a simple exercise in the eyes of a layman can quickly blow out to be something major. I wish you luck.

 

 

 

 

For me gaming is very much Essential so would 2 apply to me?


 
 
 
 




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  #1911283 30-Nov-2017 18:47
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Wheelbarrow01:

 

In regard to the conduit you installed - was this to service your own property only, or did you lay enough conduit to service every dwelling that shares the driveway? Chorus have a responsibility to provide a fibre lead in cable to every dwelling on the driveway at the time the first connection is made, so if you only laid conduit for yourself, they will still need to go down the full network design & build path to facilitate network capacity for everyone else on the driveway before your own connection can proceed.

 

If you did lay conduit for every dwelling, you can ask your RSP to place notes on the Chorus order to that effect, in an effort to bring it to their attention. Something like "The home owners sharing this driveway have already installed their own ducting, so they believe it should not require complex design & build. Please ask the Consent and/or Build teams to confirm and then proceed straight to scope". The Chorus provisioning team should pick this interaction up and pass it to the appropriate people for action.

 

It's not a guarantee, but generally this is how I get important messages from my customers passed on to the people who need them at Chorus. Unfortunately, RSPs are not permitted to contact the Chorus consent/build team directly. We can only pass messages to the Chorus provisioning team and then we have to trust that they pass them on to the appropriate channel.

 

And even if Chorus can use your ducting, they will most likely still need to do some minor build work to connect your duct to their own ducts on the roadside. This usually triggers a corridor access request which requires a rubber stamp from the local council, and additional wait time while it's processed. Doubly so if traffic management is required.

 

I'm not trying to dishearten you, I'm merely pointing out that what seems like a simple exercise in the eyes of a layman can quickly blow out to be something major. I wish you luck.

 

 

 

 

I'll start with a picture since it makes working through this stuff easier.  Click to see full size

 

 

 

At the bottom corner of the driveway is a rather large telecoms pit, The orange line are the 2x25mm conduits I laid when I replaced an old street lighting cable. I didn't want to run my conduits through the last stretch of garden to that pit at the time, as I ran out of conduit / motivation & it's not like I'm allowed to run my conduits right into that pit anyway (I'm an electrician, but civil works like this are not my regular field.).  To get from the pit to those 2 there's a rather sad excuse for a garden that can very easily be dug by hand or with a trenching machine, no concrete etc to deal with.  The green line is the  route of the fibre connections that have already been installed in the front 4 houses.

 

 

 

I always knew getting fibre to houses 12, 14, 16, 28 & 30 would be a bit of a pain, but figured that at a couple of points in the conduit run some extra pits could get installed in order to allow branches off in those directions.  I know there's no need for a corridor access request, all the works can be carried out on private property with no disruption to public roads / footpaths.

 

 

 

Your post has been rather enlightening though thank you, I'm not disheartened yet, but I'll admit I'm close, I'm tired of red tape holding things back and am at the point I'm willing to do all the civil works myself.


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  #1911303 30-Nov-2017 19:24
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I'm ~24 days and counting for my category 2 install, "10 day" notification period..


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