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weetbix43

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#303721 3-Mar-2023 20:54

Hi guys. I joined Slingshot couple of months now with the Orbi Router. I had a slingshot IP and DNS but just checking this evening suddenly it's showing 2Degrees Mobile Limited IP4 IP6 with 2Degrees Mobile Limited DNS Servers.

I am aware that 2Degrees or now Vocus? This is normal? I have been switched over to 2Degrees?

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#3044421 3-Mar-2023 21:01

Likely just part of the big network migration they have under way and some IPv4 space that was originally from 2D has been handed out.

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#3044422 3-Mar-2023 21:01

What is showing that? But yeah as you say same owner/company now so it wouldn't be surprising.

weetbix43

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#3044424 3-Mar-2023 21:04

On ipleak.net it's showing 2Degrees Mobile Limited where's yesterday it was Slingshot IP

weetbix43

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#3044426 3-Mar-2023 21:06

Yeah seems like it's the migration going on. I hope they don't put me on CGNAT as I use a VPN. When I signed up with Slingshot they assured me they don't use CGNAT

yitz

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#3044432 3-Mar-2023 21:32

They updated a whole bunch of APNIC Whois entries to say 2degrees (previously Vocusgroup) around a month back:

e.g. querying one of their IP blocks shows last-modified: 2023-02-07T02:24:32Z

also - Two Degress Mobile Limited

will the real 2degrees please stand up 😉

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#3044434 3-Mar-2023 21:33

2degrees have a whole new CG-NAT stack on the Vocus network. Highly likely you'll be put over to CG-NAT unless if you pay for a Static IP. It is basically becoming the norm now as IP addresses are expensive.

You could either use IPv6 or Tailscale / Zerotier or Cloudflare Tunnel with Cloudflare Access to get around CG-NAT Restrictions with ease. CG-NAT seriously isn't a problem for the majority of people.

Just as I see your posts coming from a VPN service just note this is actually rather dangerous. You're entrusting your traffic to a third party company who simply hires a server and allows a bunch of people to use it to hand over traffic. The problem with this, most of these people are doing dodgy things lowing the IP reputation you're coming from and also do you seriously trust your VPN provider enough with all your traffic? They're not as private as you think. If you've done banking via a VPN service you'll actually find for most banks this is against your internet banking T&C's as it is your responsibility to keep your account safe which this is not. Have a look at your VPN's IP here: https://www.ipqualityscore.com/ and also I recommend you read this: https://overengineer.dev/blog/2019/04/08/very-precarious-narrative.html

TL;DR: Do not use public VPN services if you value your security and privacy from an otherwise trusted connection.

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weetbix43

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#3044436 3-Mar-2023 21:41

Thanks for the two links Michael Murphy. I am having a look at them now. I have had a VPN for around 4 years now with no problems that I am aware of thus far and no I don't trust any VPN completly as I understand nothing is 100% secure.

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yitz

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#3044437 3-Mar-2023 21:46

I doubt your IP address/range has changed or that you have been put on CG-NAT, if it only changed yesterday then it's possible ipleak only download and reload such information from respective Regional Internet Registry whois databases once at the beginning of every month.

dpf81nz

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#3044441 3-Mar-2023 21:57

weetbix43: Yeah seems like it's the migration going on. I hope they don't put me on CGNAT as I use a VPN. When I signed up with Slingshot they assured me they don't use CGNAT

i connect to multiple VPNs for work every day behind CGNAT, never had any issues

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#3044457 4-Mar-2023 04:50

michaelmurfy:

Just as I see your posts coming from a VPN service just note this is actually rather dangerous. You're entrusting your traffic to a third party company who simply hires a server and allows a bunch of people to use it to hand over traffic. The problem with this, most of these people are doing dodgy things lowing the IP reputation you're coming from and also do you seriously trust your VPN provider enough with all your traffic? They're not as private as you think. If you've done banking via a VPN service you'll actually find for most banks this is against your internet banking T&C's as it is your responsibility to keep your account safe which this is not.

Pure FUD. Using a VPN in no way makes your connection less secure. While banks have all sorts of inane 'security' policies (shout out to Kiwibank's batsh!t 'keepsafe' rubbish), the OP can rest assured that he is not putting his account at risk from using a VPN to do internet banking, as HTTPS keeps that connection secure.

While it may lead you to use an IP with a lower reputation, that hardly matters for most internet usage, and the OP will notice if they're getting locked out of services and can choose to turn it off then.

For many purposes, a public VPN is an increase to privacy because it allows your traffic to blend in with a significant crowd, making tracking your device much more difficult - assuming you are taking measures to prevent client-side tracking in the browser. It can also prevent Geo-IP resolution, hiding your country of origin.

I don't see why a good VPN provider would be less trustworthy than my ISP. Mullvad, for instance, allows signing up with literally no personal information and payment in crypto, and unlike an ISP would have no interest in and no way to pass messages from proported copyright holders on to me. Primarily, however, the privacy improvement from a VPN would be that it prevents an ISP from gathering a list of domains I'm visiting from unencrypted SNI. Hopefully one day browser vendors will finally finish encrypting that information...

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#3045596 4-Mar-2023 14:24

@ripdog No, not "Pure FUD"... Did you even read that post I linked? You're basically quoting from the VPN providers marketing handbook.

Using a VPN in no way makes your connection less secure. While banks have all sorts of inane 'security' policies (shout out to Kiwibank's batsh!t 'keepsafe' rubbish), the OP can rest assured that he is not putting his account at risk from using a VPN to do internet banking, as HTTPS keeps that connection secure.

While it may lead you to use an IP with a lower reputation, that hardly matters for most internet usage, and the OP will notice if they're getting locked out of services and can choose to turn it off then.

You forget about the software that a VPN provider normally makes you download. Do you know if this is installing root certificates onto your computer? Do you know what other modifications this is doing to your computer to prevent "DNS Leakage"? Do you truly believe they're 100% "Log free"? While Mullvad is more trusted as others most people are not using Mullvad and instead are using the major advertising players who are certainly data collecting and not as "log free" as they state they are. If you read that post VPN providers do have their uses, but you shouldn't pump 100% of your home network traffic over it. Sure you can set up a VPN manually with most providers but 99% of people won't do this and are instead increasing their attack footprint.

Also believe be - I worked in the banking industry for years including at the bank you mentioned on their internet banking platforms and know they capture as much details as possible to get out of a potential fraud case. They use whatever they can in order to not pay you including VPN usage and other potential methods of compromise such as POLi and Account2Account. This is all logged.

For many purposes, a public VPN is an increase to privacy because it allows your traffic to blend in with a significant crowd, making tracking your device much more difficult - assuming you are taking measures to prevent client-side tracking in the browser. It can also prevent Geo-IP resolution, hiding your country of origin.

I don't see why a good VPN provider would be less trustworthy than my ISP.

Do you really want another third party in your path? Do you honestly trust a VPN provider to protect you? Do you truly believe your VPN provider won't hand any information they've got over to law enforcement if a court order was made like the countless examples of "Log Free" VPN providers doing? VPN providers don't operate outside of the law and you're delusional if you believe that using a VPN will 100% protect you. Even using CG-NAT doesn't make it impossible to track you across the internet.

Have you ever had a copyright strike from your ISP? No? This is because copyright holders don't want to pay the fee to your ISP to pass the strike over to you so they just get dropped by the ISP. If you're not an idiot with how you use the internet you have no reason for concern. You're fingerprinted in multiple ways.

Primarily, however, the privacy improvement from a VPN would be that it prevents an ISP from gathering a list of domains I'm visiting from unencrypted SNI. Hopefully one day browser vendors will finally finish encrypting that information...

ISP's in NZ seriously have zero interest in that and just pass traffic. Upstream however... like, a VPN provider may have more interest in data collection.

Seriously, stop posting such FUD on here and read what is linked above... And lets stay on topic going forward.

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#3045598 4-Mar-2023 14:42

yitz:

They updated a whole bunch of APNIC Whois entries to say 2degrees (previously Vocusgroup) around a month back:

e.g. querying one of their IP blocks shows last-modified: 2023-02-07T02:24:32Z

also - Two Degress Mobile Limited

will the real 2degrees please stand up 😉

@SarahRykers might want to get someone to fix the typo in the APNIC registration.