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In 2005 the role of the Electronic Crime Laboratory became apparent as a tool for the  Organsied Crime Squad -the branch of the NZ Police that receives the most substantial funding/covert surveillance powers. Enquiries at the time lead to an assumption the prospect of a separate network being set up as a conduit to the Organsied Crime Squad in effect receiving call traffic "dumps" direct without the need to apply for call data/search/interception warrants. One of those involved in these trials in 2005 and prior to such date recently noted "NZ Communications" notably "530 24" "NZL 24" & "NZ Comms" had appeared of late of likely targets of the NZ Police/Organised Crime Squad. The "24" seem to represent "240" a line used by Telecom Scott Base.





1 Can the above be inserted on "manual" networks setting? ie if the phone user has not done so
2 As above re network opeartors?
3 Does telecom still own "24" or as stated as seemingly an abbreviation for "240" a line used by Telecom Scott Base.
4 Does the info form a technical angle seem to fit the above -ie an over resourced "network player" that in fact has no intent of joining the market?
5 Do the phones of others also seem to have a chnage in the "configurations" from Vodafone UK to Vodafone Group as from 31/12/08? as with the aformentioned phones of police targets?
6 Is there a reference to the date 06/11/03 in the same configurations?





Appreciate any input especially from technically savvy individuals






Reply # 211512 posted on 1-MAY-2009 02:45       





WTF





WTF





WTF?





NZ 24 is nzcomms network.






Please forward any releases that confirm your contention





Note-your contention is seemingly that which is the 'impression' nz comms seeks to convey albeit there is nothing of any concrete nature to support such a contention. On what do you base your contention ?





Against the validity of the contention NZ 24 is nzcomms network -nb the following





telecom release in sept 08 - 240 is telecom scott base
nzcomms is not yet operating. purportedly entered agreement with Vodafone in January 2008
application to commerce commission from memory 14/01/09
240 is still in the hands of telecom acording to the latest list of mobile telephony lines owned by the networks. 240 -telecom Scotts base
nil evidence telecom has entered into any form of negotiations with NZ Comms





If you don't comment necessarily leads to obvious inferences & thus equate to corroboration of that stated in the 2 this and my earlier "reply"
1 that stated is accurate
2 your reply emqanates from the wider police interests in the need to bury nz comms if it transpires it is in some way part of a front to facilitate unlawful surveillance for the police -a definitive assessment as to whether such is the case is noit yet known





The most telling factor being the speed of your response alongwith the 'blanket denial' without reference to facts, 'wtf wtf'-emotive.





It is hoped your reply is just as quick & can at the least refer myself and those interested to a factual reference -for example one readily available on the net





 


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Good morning,

My name is Detective Inspector Willnz, and I'm coming to get you. Lock your windows.

Check the NAD website. NZ Comms swapped 024 for 022 months ago because Telecom refused to give up 0240.


This thread is ridiculous. Can someone delete it, or at the very least change the title to proper case?



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  #211536 2-May-2009 05:51
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willnz: Good morning,

My name is Detective Inspector Willnz, and I'm coming to get you. Lock your windows.

Check the NAD website. NZ Comms swapped 024 for 022 months ago because Telecom refused to give up 0240.

This thread is ridiculous. Can someone delete it, or at the very least change the title to proper case?


Everyone is entitled to their own opinion/questioning provided it is expressed within the bounds of the FUG

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  #211539 2-May-2009 06:08
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scottjpalmer: Everyone is entitled to their own opinion/questioning provided it is expressed within the bounds of the FUG


Whilst I unfortunately have to agree that it probably doesn't fall out of the FUG, this spammy paranoid rant could almost border on being libelous - but hey, it's some entertainment for the morning anyway Tongue out



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  #211541 2-May-2009 06:12
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This is certainly the most strange theory about something that's clear explained by the simple fact that there's a range each operator can use - and nothing to do with police powers.





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  #211543 2-May-2009 06:19
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Bit early in the morning for taking mind altering drugs there xars

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  #211547 2-May-2009 06:48
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no consytructive responses

yes a release states 022-when the network is launched which it isn't. 

any proof it purchased 240 off telecom. if so state the media release and explain why 240 is still listed telecom scotts base

if the network prosposes '022'at some date how is it nz 24 or 530 24 is popping up on 'manual network settings'when neither listed nor manually activated. also explain how it was the numerous reports of those 'roaming'on nz 24

technically savvy responses welcome  

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I never said they purchased 0240 off Telecom. I said Telecom refused to give it to them because it is assigned to Scott Base.



The logistics of transferring all Scott Base users off 0240 would take far too long, so NZC decided to swap their 0241-0249 range for a full 022 range. As I said, check the NAD website. NZ Comms is no longer assigned ANY numbers in the 024 range, all their numbers are 022, as are all their test SIMs.

The network name has absolutely nothing to do with their number range.

Although Dear Tex may live close to a few policemen, I can assure you that's as far as the NZ Comms / NZ Police relationship goes.


You should be more worried about the 8-10 carriers that have numbers in the 028 range - how do you know any of them aren't evil Police spies coming to haxor your TXTs?

 
 
 

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  #211549 2-May-2009 06:56
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re libel-a query re nz comms and apparent anomalies-is not libel. what is sought is clarification,infomation or technological advice. glib uninformed patter is not. forget the police. step one explain the nz comms anomalies

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  #211550 2-May-2009 07:00
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hmm let me get this straight, what relevance has this prefix issue with a company's launch, with number portability etc now happening around the place, don't tell me you haven't got a mobile number already that you want to keep and just port across? IMO 021 is best as it shows you're number ONE, and I am keeping it! For now it's on Voda, and it will be my choice to port it to Telecom, or NZ Comm when and if I decide to do so.

If a woman can change their mind every other minute, for one reason or another a company surely can do so with advance warning (mind you they have not even launched yet)

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so u agree it did not have 240 as was plain so therefore explain
1 how is it nz 24 or 530 24 crops up on vodafone 'manual network settings'when neither listed nor
2 manually activated 7 3
3 how it was the numerous reports of those 'roaming'on nz 24 on the various blogs

quit deflecting with 'police'patter -if u have genuine knowledge -demonstrate it

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What anomalies? I've given you clarification and information about NZ Comms (non) use of 024.


1 Can the above be inserted on "manual" networks setting? ie if the phone user has not done so
What?

2 As above re network opeartors?
What?

3 Does telecom still own "24" or as stated as seemingly an abbreviation for "240" a line used by Telecom Scott Base.

No carriers "own" numbers. Telecom are assigned 0240 for use in Scott Base, Antarctica, by the NAD Management Committee.


4 Does the info form a technical angle seem to fit the above -ie an over resourced "network player" that in fact has no intent of joining the market?

I have always been an Econet/NZ Comms skeptic about why they are taking so long to build their network, but there are significant hurdles in building a physical network that noone has really attempted before other than the big boys (Telecom and Vodafone), so we can't really say whether or not such huge delays are justified.

5 Do the phones of others also seem to have a chnage in the "configurations" from Vodafone UK to Vodafone Group as from 31/12/08? as with the aformentioned phones of police targets?

WTF are you on about? I thought NZ Comms were the "police targets" now it's Vodafone?

6 Is there a reference to the date 06/11/03 in the same configurations?
What?

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xsarz: so u agree it did not have 240 as was plain so therefore explain

1 how is it nz 24 or 530 24 crops up on vodafone 'manual network settings'when neither listed nor

2 manually activated 7 3

3 how it was the numerous reports of those 'roaming'on nz 24 on the various blogs



quit deflecting with 'police'patter -if u have genuine knowledge -demonstrate it



1) Manual network setting is exactly that - were you manually chose which network to connect to. All available networks in the area will be shown, and if you have authorisation to connect to that network, you could MANUALLY select it.

2) What?

3) Because NZ Comms has roaming agreements in place with overseas telcos. This is nothing surprising given they are launching a new mobile network in the coming months.


I do have genuine knowledge, I have worked in the telco industry for a number of years and was part of the NAD Management Committee when NZ Comms made the request to change from 024 to 022 because Telecom indicated that it would take over 2 years to move the Scott Base users off the 0240 prefix.


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#211557 2-May-2009 07:12
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xsarz: no consytructive responses



Of course no. You're rumbling there, with some paranoid conspiracy theory so people won't take you seriously.

xsarz: if the network prosposes '022'at some date how is it nz 24 or 530 24 is popping up on 'manual network settings'when neither listed nor manually activated. also explain how it was the numerous reports of those 'roaming'on nz 24

technically savvy responses welcome  


The Mobile Network Code identification has nothing to do with the number range. Old phones will show "NZL 24", while new phones or those with updated firmwares will show the final name for the network.

That's all.








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  #211566 2-May-2009 08:12
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xsarz:
yes a release states 022-when the network is launched which it isn't. 



Says who? NZ Comms have a live network that has live users.

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  #211572 2-May-2009 08:39
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Why is anyone bothering to respond to this rubbish?

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