No Orcon+ Network in the Viaduct?

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#56840 25-Jan-2010 20:19

Hi,

I was shocked when Orcon told me that there's no orcon+ network on Customs Street in Auckland CBD. How can that be?
On their map it shows that all the CBD is covered.

I suspect they filled their ports and they don't have anything available?
However, on lower Queen St the orcon+ network is available.

When I asked if there will be available in the future they said it's very unlikely. So, bye bye Naked DSL, welcome useless phone line :(

Cheers.

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#293014 25-Jan-2010 22:38

You are probably on a cabinet rather than connected via the exchange.

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#293034 26-Jan-2010 00:18

I moved from Parnell to the Viaduct and had to switch from Orcon+ to Snap Naked DSL because as above no Orcon+ available. Upside, still have free TVNZ Ondemand but I don't think the speeds are quite as good.

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#293037 26-Jan-2010 01:15

Sounddude: You are probably on a cabinet rather than connected via the exchange.

:(

We can only hope that the com com revises that sub loop unbundling determination sometime in a next few years to actually be reasonable.

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#293041 26-Jan-2010 07:09

Ragnor:
Sounddude: You are probably on a cabinet rather than connected via the exchange.

:(

We can only hope that the com com revises that sub loop unbundling determination sometime in a next few years to actually be reasonable.

The problem isn't so much the price - even if it was signficantly cheaper it will still be unprofitable for most ISP's to offer a subloop ULL solution in many areas.

In some cases cabinets are only providing service to a few hundred households. That could mean an ISP installing equipment to service ~20 customers. ROI on capital costs of an ISAM don't even stack up in some cases, let along paying space for rental in the cabinet or backhaul from the cabinet.

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#293045 26-Jan-2010 07:39

sbiddle, didn't Orcon claim that if they weren't required to pay Telecom's backhaul costs (i.e could provision fibre to the cabinet themselves) that they'd be right in there?

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#293079 26-Jan-2010 09:55

Backhaul costs are the main factor.

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#293086 26-Jan-2010 10:09

Sounddude: Backhaul costs are the main factor.

Is LFLS still a sticking point or would you install voice equipment in all cabinets as well?

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#293097 26-Jan-2010 10:51

And how does digging your own backhaul in compare to renting of Telecom, my guess is both options blow the budget.

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#293127 26-Jan-2010 12:56

Is LFLS still a sticking point or would you install voice equipment in all cabinets as well?

The ISAM/DSLAMS we use have POTS cards installed in them. So there is no need to have any copper from the cabinet to the exchange.

The POTS line would be converted to SIP at the cabinet and then sent over the backhaul to the Orcon softswitch.

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#293158 26-Jan-2010 15:11

cyril7: And how does digging your own backhaul in compare to renting of Telecom, my guess is both options blow the budget.

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This is what annoyes me a little. Dark fibre from Telecom costs like $3k per month from a cabinet (under the subloop unbundling rules)....Its a shared cost. Total / number of carriers in the cabinet.

However if you buy a 10mbit circuit from Telecom...at say $500 per month. They use the same dark fibre to get from the cabinet to the exchange.

How can they say the fibre is worth $6k per month when they are using it and selling it for $500.

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#293166 26-Jan-2010 16:03

Aren't Telecom paying Chorus the exact same amount that any other ISP would be paying for backhaul?

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#293298 27-Jan-2010 10:06

sbiddle: Aren't Telecom paying Chorus the exact same amount that any other ISP would be paying for backhaul?

Yup sure. But my view the costs are not true value. They seem a little overinflated.

Just look at the fibre providers in the main citys. Citylink, Velocity etc. they charge like $500 for dark fibre.

Yet Chorus dark fibre is $3k-6k depending on how many people are in the cabinets.

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#293305 27-Jan-2010 10:31

Then again most cabinets are in areas where Citylink, Velocity, FX etc dont go, which is also where the people are not just CBD.

But you are right seems out of order.

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#293339 27-Jan-2010 11:21

Didn't the Commerce Commission base their pricing on a cost model from somewhere like Germany since it was the only comparative cost model they had for a FTTN network?

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#295808 3-Feb-2010 19:03

tcpdump I would go along with what Mike said as there are about 5 or 6 more ISPs that offer naked dsl and I know 2 or 3 of them have a voip phone service included if you wish to have it.

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