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Boeingflyer

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#61890 25-May-2010 17:40
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Do not leave Orcon!!!! they will try and screw you over!!!!!

I transferred my BB and home line from Orcon to vodafone in early January this year.  Made the mistake of forgetting to give 30 days notice so had to pay for an extra month, no worries, my mistake and i paid the bill.

My contract with orcon meant that i had to return the modem when i left them, so i rang them up and was sent out a courier post envelope to send the modem back.  Did that but forgot to track it.  Didn't hear from them until the 2nd of April to say that i haven't returned the modem and i was charged $99.  I now had to pay $61.50 as i had credit in my account.

I rang them up and explained that i had returned the modem, they said that they would try and track it down for me, it was agreed that their process at their end could be the problem.

2 weeks had passed and i had heard nothing, rang them again, oh we are still looking for it was their response.  

Knowing these companies don't take prisoners, i asked them to suspend my account until this matter is sorted so i don't get extra fees.
Well well well, as expected, got my first baycorp letter.  So i rang orcon, got a lovely lady that said that they have a common problem with their modem supplier not notifying them of modem returns, look into my matter and agreed to refund the $99.  Check the account a day later and had credit again.

1 week later, another baycorp letter, so i rang baycorp to say that i now have about $40 credit with Orcon and that the debt is cleared. They said sweet as and would send a request to orcon to confrim.

2 weeks later, another letter from Baycorp, we are going to do you over!!!!!  Rang orcon, the CSR said that he would contact the debt department and have it all reversed and get Baycorp off me, also that the department will have to ring me to confirm that it's all done.

Been a few days and heard nothing so i checked my orcon balance, surprise suprise, they have charged me for another modem and now i'm in debt again!!!!!

What sort of shocking service are they providing, i'm trying to leave them but they keep putting charges on my account.  

I've got 3 days to have it all cleared or my credit rating is going to take a hit.

I'm so not impressed and will never go back to orcon!!!!!!!!

I know that senior orcon workers read these forums, you need to help me out!!!!!!

I'm meant to be getting a phone call from the department at 9am tomorrow to have this sorted but going from there last attempt we will see.

 

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#334675 25-May-2010 18:10
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To be fair, by your own admission you've made a lot of mistakes in this process (forgetting to record the track n trace number of the modem), and that has put you in this predicament



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  #334676 25-May-2010 18:13
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A little bit of foot in mouth.

I've calm down now and gone thru my bill again, it looks like they haven't charged me twice for the modem, i still have credit with them but still haven't heard from Orcon to say that Baycorp is off my arse.

So i will take back the last part of my post but the screw around before has to be told.  Feel a bit silly about the last part.

Will reply tomorrow with an update. 

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  #334677 25-May-2010 18:14
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Hi Fabian,

Sounds like there were mistakes made on both ends of this. I certainly apologise on our behalf for those mistakes that we made.

It also sounds like we are in the process of sorting this out, however if it is not resolved to your satisfaction please feel free to get in touch with me directly to ensure that your credit rating is not adversely affected.



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  #334681 25-May-2010 18:19
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nate: To be fair, by your own admission you've made a lot of mistakes in this process (forgetting to record the track n trace number of the modem), and that has put you in this predicament


Yep i'll accept that, but still it's not hard to match up credit in an accout to a baycorp bill and have it cleared up. 

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  #334689 25-May-2010 18:27
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duncanblair: Hi Fabian,

Sounds like there were mistakes made on both ends of this. I certainly apologise on our behalf for those mistakes that we made.

It also sounds like we are in the process of sorting this out, however if it is not resolved to your satisfaction please feel free to get in touch with me directly to ensure that your credit rating is not adversely affected.


Thanks for the offer for help, really appreciate it, i'm hoping that this will be resolved tomorrow.  
I know that i didn't help myself about the tracking number, I'm not so worried about the money, it's the credit rating that i'm scared of as once your on their list you can't get rid of them.  

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  #334871 26-May-2010 04:24
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Fabian:
nate: To be fair, by your own admission you've made a lot of mistakes in this process (forgetting to record the track n trace number of the modem), and that has put you in this predicament


Yep i'll accept that, but still it's not hard to match up credit in an accout to a baycorp bill and have it cleared up. 


 

I have had similar problems with Orcon.  I suspect it could be they have 4 departments that don't communicate with each other - they are:

bills@orcon.net.nz
support@orcon.net.nz
provisioning@orcon.net.nz
credit_services@orcon.net.nz

I pointed this out and Orcon agreed to fix this, obviously they haven't - yet.
I guess this is a typical NZ symptom of a 'She'll be right' attitude.

With all the extra work on Orcon's part to figure out the lack of communication with their customers, one wonders at the lack simple business sense that will:
1 Increase costs - which get passed on to customers.
2 Drive established users to another ISP.
3 Create a poor PC image with stories like the above.

Luckily I kept all email and dates of all phone calls I made, and contacts from Orcon, so my problems were worked out.  But it probably cost Orcon far more than my account is worth for the next 10 years!
For me it cost my time.
Lastly I do want to say Orcon is still the best ISP: I had joined several other ISPs before Orcon and - man the stories I could tell - would make your blood run cold!
Fabian, there is a big difference between good people running a partly dysfunctional system, to one that has bloody-minded couldn't-care-less morons to deal with.

From my experience with Orcon, the people there do seem to care about finding a solution to your problem.



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  #334874 26-May-2010 06:21
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Funny enough this sounds strangely similar to the problems I had with them afew years ago. Keep at them over it and make sure you keep a record of exactly what has happened and the contact between you and them.

Our problems were fixed after weeks of headaches and hair pulling by managing to get a single manager to deal with the issue across multiple departments.





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  #335015 26-May-2010 12:30
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UPDATE!!


Well surprise surprise, no phone call at 9am as requested, even thou they had escalated to 'emergency'.
Waited till 11am and rang Baycorp to which they told me that they have had a message from them to clear it.
Rang Orcon after that to confirm that everything was sweet, which it was, but still no apology.  
They did tell me that i do have some credit again and said they would put me thru to another department to get it paid out, after 20 mins on hold i gave up.  The last time i had credit they did the same thing, was put on hold for 20 mins.  Maybe they just hope you give up so they can cash in on the interest.
While waiting on hold, i did think that it might be best if i do leave the money with them as you never know what charges they may find.

Well the best thing is, at this present moment i don't owe anyone money, this was the same feeling i had about 2 weeks ago so i will be checking my orcon account everyday for a while to make sure it stays this way.

What sucks for Orcon is that i had good service with them, i was always lucky to never hold long on the phone, the CSR's have been great even during this whole process. It's orcons processes that have been the problem.  
In other orcon posts on geekzone i have even stuck up for them about their service but sadly it's going to take a very good offer to come back to them.

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  #336233 30-May-2010 11:01
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Evolbob:
Fabian:
nate: To be fair, by your own admission you've made a lot of mistakes in this process (forgetting to record the track n trace number of the modem), and that has put you in this predicament


Yep i'll accept that, but still it's not hard to match up credit in an accout to a baycorp bill and have it cleared up. 


 

I have had similar problems with Orcon.  I suspect it could be they have 4 departments that don't communicate with each other - they are:

bills@orcon.net.nz
support@orcon.net.nz
provisioning@orcon.net.nz
credit_services@orcon.net.nz

I pointed this out and Orcon agreed to fix this, obviously they haven't - yet.
I guess this is a typical NZ symptom of a 'She'll be right' attitude.

With all the extra work on Orcon's part to figure out the lack of communication with their customers, one wonders at the lack simple business sense that will:
1 Increase costs - which get passed on to customers.
2 Drive established users to another ISP.
3 Create a poor PC image with stories like the above.

Luckily I kept all email and dates of all phone calls I made, and contacts from Orcon, so my problems were worked out.  But it probably cost Orcon far more than my account is worth for the next 10 years!
For me it cost my time.
Lastly I do want to say Orcon is still the best ISP: I had joined several other ISPs before Orcon and - man the stories I could tell - would make your blood run cold!
Fabian, there is a big difference between good people running a partly dysfunctional system, to one that has bloody-minded couldn't-care-less morons to deal with.

From my experience with Orcon, the people there do seem to care about finding a solution to your problem.





All of said deaprtments are in one room at Orcon (unless they have re-arranged the office somewhat) and the lines of communication are between oh say 4 people maybe and the billing system a spreadsheet and Baycorp XD...

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  #336416 31-May-2010 00:39
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I do agree that the departments do not communicate with each other. I have phoned them and the bill department was very surprised the customer service team has not been contact with me since I cancelled my account. They don't seem to be very responsive after the account has been cancelled as though they don't care. I have talked to someone that is quite high up in the company and they seem suggest they are bit short of staff and trying their best but it doesn't seem to make a difference. Anyway I am happy that I have moved to Telecom as they recently put in a new exchange just 200 yards from my house and so far no drop in speed and disconnectivity. The only service I do miss from Orcon is the long distance phone call and the voice mail pity about the internet.


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  #336428 31-May-2010 02:02
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Orcon baycorped me after they kept charging me after they cut the internet off (for non payment since they couldnt handle lodging a direct debit with my bank and using it)

Total arses to deal with, In the end I ended up paying half the sum they claimed i owed them to baycorp as a "settlement" since orcon were just fobbing me off to baycorp and vice versa.

Even when I sent them details of the emails to/from them including me emailing that I would not be wanting it reconnected and them emailing back for a telecom account number and me emailing them that I didnt have one and really that it isnt my problem to help them with their suppliers in anycase they still wanted me to pay for 2-3 months of additional internet that I didnt recieve.

For that reason orcon are on my sh*tlist and I wont deal with them again.




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  #336467 31-May-2010 09:15
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Why should it be the responsibility of the customer to track it? Surely (using good business process) It would be better for Orcon to take a record of the tracking number prior to sending the bag out and recording it against the account.

Easiest way to solve the problem and takes the onus off the consumer.




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  #336504 31-May-2010 10:37
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Baycorp have a procedure where you can access your credit record. If they have a website the details are probably there. If your problem gets sorted, get a copy of credit record for future reference.

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  #336528 31-May-2010 11:45
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I just don't know why people go with Orcon.

My brother joined them a little while ago - I advised him this is the last thing he should do.

However, he proceeded and as I predicted he has had no end of problems. Currently, his biggest issue is speed - he is on ADSL2+ but only getting 1/4 of the speed he paid for.

This is not in hicksville either - it is in Auckland.

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  #336560 31-May-2010 12:41
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wreck90: I just don't know why people go with Orcon.

My brother joined them a little while ago - I advised him this is the last thing he should do.

However, he proceeded and as I predicted he has had no end of problems. Currently, his biggest issue is speed - he is on ADSL2+ but only getting 1/4 of the speed he paid for.

This is not in hicksville either - it is in Auckland.

What speed did he pay for?

I'm with Orcon unbundled and I get greats speeds whenever I want.   I haven't had too many problems with them, so I recommend them to anyone that asks.

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