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seamonkey

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#62208 1-Jun-2010 13:06

Hello,

Well we signed up with Orcon recently and the first 3 weeks were perfect, then it turned sour, with bad speeds, high latency and generally unusable internet for anything other than staring at timed out web pages.

I was overjoyed at first with the speeds and pings then things turned bad hmm

We were sent a bill for the first months internet that was cool, but then we noticed that we were also being billed for the next months internet that we havent even used yet, well ok we have to pay for a month in advance. Didn't seem so bad at first as we were really pleased with the service at the time, so didnt mind being hit for the larger amount at first as it was just the first initial amount afterall.

So we are fed up with terrible speeds and pings during peak time and are trying to move back to Telecom as of today, we ring up Telecom to change back to them, but it turns out we need a asid number and have to contact Orcon to get it.

So we do contact Orcon as Telecom sugested, and the "lady" blurts out down the phone to us that we have to give them 30 days notice to leave, so effectivly we will be charged for two months internet that we are not going to use nor want?

So it seems like it to me that Orcon will not charge people for disconection fee any more *hooray* but instead charge people for effectivly a 2 months broadband and tolls fee that you cannot possible use that amounts to for us around the 170 dollar mark, which Im sure is larger than the disconnection fee to begin with...

What a scam.

Mum is gob smacked and feels like she is being blackmailed by Orcon. Mum feels that we should only pay for what we have used? Afterall we don't go to the supermarket and pay for food that you can't take home right?

So now our option is to stay with Orcon and pay for poor internet service right when we need it most for two more months and then switch over at the temination of those two months, or switch back to Telcom today and being hit for a gigantic bill ($400 or so) after one months usage.

I for one will not be recommending Orcon to anyone.

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  #336999 1-Jun-2010 13:11
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Is this "slowdown" happening at peak times? When more people at home? Someone else using the phone at that time?

Many of those problems come from poor wiring, and wet weather makes it worse. You could start by unpluging all devices (phone, fax, etc) from the jacks and see if it improves your speeds anything. Turn the modem off and on during the test.

If it improves anything, make sure you have correct filters in place, and the wiring is in good shape.

You didn't say where you are located so there's nothing much that can be said for now. Also are you connected to an exchange? Which one?

As for billing, it's almost universal (in New Zealand at least) for companies to ask for 30 day notice. It's not blackmail or scam.





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  #337010 1-Jun-2010 13:24
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Oh orcon oh orcon oh orcon.

I agree with most of your issues, and have suffered similar issues. For over a year my connection was fine, perfect. But then it all of a sudden dropped off. 1000kb speeds down to 200kb at most. This was apparently attributed to various things, but never orcons fault.

In the end, my final gripe when my connection dropped of to completly unusable (ie sub dial up speeds) I rung up for help, and was bluntly and fairly rudely told that it was the wiring in my house, this wiring apparently magically got better when I switched to telecom.

Also, be warned, you can't look up previous phone history/internet history on the orcon web panel when you are no longer a customer, and they will refuse to actually mail it out.

Orcon went from being a brilliant ISP, far exceding what telecom could provide at the time, to being left in the dust with sub par service, and horrible customer service.

And don't get me started on how much effort and time it takes to get orcon and telecom technicians to talk to each other, that one cost me a week of internet which I was still charged for.

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  #337011 1-Jun-2010 13:24
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Yes Orcon has no disconnection fee but requires 30 notice of cancellation, it's clearly there in their terms that you agreed to when signing up.

I'm not sure it's Orcon's fault you didn't bother to read the terms.

Performance of Orcon's service is probably a valid complaint assuming you've worked with the helpdesk to troubleshoot the issue.  You could look at TDR (Telecommunications Dispute Resolution), CGA and disputes tribunal.

Also you could give Orcon 30 days notice of cancellation, then ask Telecom to switch you ~10 before the last month with Orcon ends, so you're not paying for a whole extra month for nothing.






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  #337013 1-Jun-2010 13:27

I have good speeds as im about 1km for our exchange (ADSL2+). The exchange is not overloaded and we have usually good speeds during the day. I have a wired setup and the jackpoints and house wiring is great as its fairly new. Also I have tried 3 modems (2 adsl2+ capable ones) and 1 adsl1 modem along with various cables and line filters.

We are leaving as we are extremely unsatisfied with the level of service during peak time as its been borderline unusable with disconnections from international games along with latency 1.5k at times, along with several thousand pings to vent servers based in aus.

As a gamer this makes it very a very frsutrating experience, but I understand your concerns regarding eliminating possible errors on my network side of things etc.

We are situated in Maori Hill Dunedin and have been affected by the network issues during peak time. We are not at happy with this and have not had any problems like this with our previous provider Telecom, so we are completly not happy with any kind of issues like this (not used to it at all, so not happy with over a weeks worth...).

As far as we are concerned we have never been charged with a 30 days notice, and we have been with isps such as xnet and maxnet in the past who did not charge such an outragious fee.

Introducing something such as a 30days notice while at the same time removing a disconection fee just sounds silly to us. Paying for goods/services that cannot possibly be provided is not at all fair or moral?

Sorry if I come across as ranting, but me and mum are are not happy at all and would wish to hear from an Orcon representative regarding our situation.

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  #337015 1-Jun-2010 13:28
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I didn't notice any mention of contacting Orcon for support.  Have you called or e-mailed their helpdesk and seen whether they can help troubleshoot?

 
 
 

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  #337033 1-Jun-2010 14:09
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What are you going to do if you get back to Telecom and find you still have the same problems ? (hypothetical question)

As Damo-K has pointed out, not once have you mentioned contacting Orcon with your problems and see what they can do for you.

Do you know for a fact that your exchange isnt full/overworked ?

Theres a lot of factors that have to be taken into consideration.......

As for the 30 days/cancellation fee, back in the days where there were cancellation fees, you'll probably find you still had to give 30 days notice...... not many service providers (not just internet) that didnt have those clauses.




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  #337043 1-Jun-2010 14:20
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seamonkey:
Ragnor: Kordia who own Orcon are a member of the TDR

http://www.tdr.org.nz/

Also

http://www.consumer.org.nz/category/legal-rights/buying-goods-services
http://www.consumer.org.nz/reports/consumer-guarantees-act
http://www.consumer.org.nz/reports/disputes-tribunals


hey thanks for those links.

Be warned, all three organisations will kick you back if you haven't even tried to sort out your issue.  So if you haven't tried to get Orcon support (not billing) involved, then you'll probably be told to go back and try again.

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  #337742 3-Jun-2010 12:22
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Agreed, the best thing you can do is speak with Orcon around the issues you are experiencing. We must always remember that wiring in NZ is very bad.
It's like being in the dark ages.

I would recommend calling them: 0800 13 14 15 or support@orcon.net.nz

Hope you get it sorted man :(

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