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mananon

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#75217 14-Jan-2011 22:09
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To anyone considering signing up for a 2 Degrees contract,
 
My wife has recently left Vodafone as she was very disappointed, disgusted may be a better word, with their customer service.

I did a little research into alternatives and found that 2 Degrees had the best offers by far. For $59 a month she could get 210 mins call time, 1000 texts and 100mb of data + carry over minuets. Also 3 months free (after the first months bill is paid) and a free Ideos handset.

Now, there are usually bits in the small print that I might miss so I called the free phone number and checked. Just to be 100% I did this twice and both times the (very polite and helpful) people I spoke to assured me that I was correct but confirmed that these offers were only available in store. Being in Taupo this meant Dick Smiths or Warehouse Stationary. Off we went. The time was now just after 11:00am.

Dick Smiths first. The assistant instantly looked sceptical. He said he'd had the most basic training and didn't really know if he could help with a contract but he'd try. He couldn't log on and that was the end of it. Bear in mind that the shop was very busy so the guy wasn't inclined to go to any great lengths. They sent us to Warehouse Stationary, something he said he did with most potential 2 Degrees customers who wanted more than a SIM card or top-up.

There was only one woman in Warehouse Stationary that had had any training and she freely said she didn't know what to do and recommended that we go home and call 2 Degrees for help. Again the shop was very busy and she really didn't have time to be more helpful. We went home and I made the call, explaining that of the only two places in Taupo that sold 2 Degrees products, neither could help. We were again told that the offers were only available in store. The very helpful 2 Degrees assistant advised that we should get the in store assistant to call the telephone help line and that he was sure that things could be worked out that way.

Off we went back to town. The time was now around 1:00pm.

Back at Dick Smiths we waited for a customer service person and asked him to call 2 Degrees to assist him with his log-on problem. He did and we got started. After we'd filled in most of the details we got to a point where I mentioned the free handset. I should add that this was clearly advertised in the shop.
The guy helping us said he didn't know anything about the promotions so I related what I had been told by 2 Degrees over the phone. I pointed out the poster and the guy did agree that I should be able to get a free handset. However, there was no place in the online form to allow for a free phone to be issued. He asked the help line assistant about this and was told to ask his manager. He did so.

His manager also knew nothing about the free handset offer so he spoke to the telephone assistant himself and was told to contact his manager, which he did. His manager wasn't available and at this point the store manager refused to take the process further. His point was that he was being asked to give away a handset and had no means of debiting this from his stock. He recommended that we go back to Warehouse Stationary and try there. We did. It was now around 2:30pm.

We spoke to the same assistant as previously in Warehouse Stationary and she, though very busy, agreed to try to sort things out. As with Dick Smiths, she couldn't log on with the user name and password in her handbook so, at my prompting, she also called the help line. The 2 Degrees helpline assistant talked her through the entire process until we again reached the point where a means of 'costing' a free handset was required.

Again, the assistant was referred to her manager who, again, didn't know what to do. He took the pone and was referred to his manager, who couldn't help. At this point the 2 Degrees helpline assistant didn't know what to do so we could get no further. We were advised that it might be easier to go to Telecom, just around the corner.

We left the store and I called 2 Degrees (0800 022 022 then option 1) and, for the first time, I got someone who wasn't very helpful. I was told that I had to 'make' the shop assistants work things out or drive to another town. I was told again that promotions were only available in store, that I couldn't take out the 24 month contract and try to sort out the free handset or other bonuses at a later date and that they had to be done on the day. I'm not really sure just how I expected her to help but maybe something like "That's ridiculous. Please hold while I get my manager. I'm sure he'll ring the shop in Taupo and sort things out for you." No. Basically, it was my problem so, tough luck, go to Telecom. We did. It was now after 4:00pm.

We went into the Telecom shop and I timed this. 24 month plan (more expensive than 2 Degrees), no carry over minuets, got a free handset (very poor compared to the Ideos offered by 2 Degrees) and no free 3 months. In less than 7 minuets we left the shop with a working 3G phone.
 
To summarise, I think the call plans and offers 2 Degrees have are fantastic, better by far than any either Vodafone or Telecom but, what's the point when no-one can access you're products? My wife and I both spent over 5 hours on this, two trips to town and back, several (free) phone calls, interminable periods of explaining 2 Degrees offers to people who are supposed to be selling us 2 Degrees products and generally becoming mind numbingly frustrated.
 
My question is, why are the sales assistants in these stores so lacking in product knowledge? Why are these offers unavailable online or over the phone? This seems a glaring oversight in a country were so many people are so far removed from such stores, especially stores that seem to be unable to assist customers.

It seems doubly sad when (with the exception of the last tele sales person I spoke to, who seemed to think it was my fault for not living in Auckland) everyone we dealt with tried so very hard to make things work.

It was, quite literally, impossible. It's quite shocking to hear that sales representatives are sending away potential 2 Degrees customers, even recommending that they go to Telecom or Vodafone, on a daily basis! This is through no fault of their own, rather because they simply cannot help. They just don't know what to do. It's important to remember that these guys are working at a general sales counter, not a separate desk and are constantly having to field questions like, "Is this the right memory card for my camera? Will these headphones work on my Mac? Have you seen a small boy with a PSP and a runny nose?"

So, my wife is now tied into a Telecom 24 month contract that isn't what she really wanted. I was considering going onto 2 degrees myself but I obviously can't do so, whether I want to or not. Well, not if I want any of the bomus free stuff.
 
My thanks for you're reading through this saga. I hope this is just a Taupo thing but, I'm guessing it's not.

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  #427304 14-Jan-2011 23:08
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mananon: My thanks for you're reading through this saga. I hope this is just a Taupo thing but, I'm guessing it's not.


Any chance of a three sentence summary?



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  #427305 14-Jan-2011 23:19
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The quick version is the processes failed the customer and 2degrees missed out on a sale. It is a fundamental problem with their supply model, cheap yes but efficient and effective? Clearly not always!

In wgtn we have the benefit of a 2degrees store, unfortunately for 2degrees (and dick smiths by the sounds of that employee) it is going to cost them significant dollars!!

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  #427308 14-Jan-2011 23:45
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i was having the same problem earlier. i pm 2degrees care about my experience with DSE (no response from him tho). DSE team took about 3 hours to put me on the contract. at first they have trouble to login into their own account, then with manual in their hand, they were struggling to follow the instructions. 80% of the time, i told them how to fill in the form, which section need to be filled etc.

poor training? definitely

if i was impatience, i would have left and dont bother switching. but hey, i was free that weekend and i understand that 2degrees is still a 'baby'.



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  #427311 15-Jan-2011 00:25
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A baby they might be, but I would have thought that given them the time it took them to get up and running (almost 10 years, from memory) they should have had correct, functioning processes like this in place from day one. They've been around almost 18 months now, and it's a bit worrying to hear they're having issues like this - especially the referring-potential-customers-to-their-competitors part.

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  #427335 15-Jan-2011 08:26
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quickymart: A baby they might be, but I would have thought that given them the time it took them to get up and running (almost 10 years, from memory) they should have had correct, functioning processes like this in place from day one. They've been around almost 18 months now, and it's a bit worrying to hear they're having issues like this - especially the referring-potential-customers-to-their-competitors part.


Thats a DSE problem, that 2degrees is on the receiving end of.  I am sure the manager of the store would be pissed to hear his staff are throwing away revenue.  If i became aware of a staff member doing that, remedial training would be in order if that individual wanted to keep their job.

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  #427336 15-Jan-2011 08:29
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For sure, but maybe the rep they got found what the OP was trying to do fit into the "too-hard basket" so it was easier to send them elsewhere. As you say, not a good look.

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  #427342 15-Jan-2011 09:00
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There is definitely an serious issue with lack of training in stores that sell 2degrees phones and contract.

I've experienced that here in Ashburton with Smith City, Warehouse Stationary, Harvey Normals and Dick Smiths. Not of the staff are in any way clued up on things - I was telling most of them more about 2degrees (network, phones, contracts) than they actually knew themselves. I bought my IDEOS outright (in a deal) and then signed myself up on contract - that worked nicely.

And it is a shame that a failure by staff and managers in to write down stock in DSE and Warehouse Stationary is becoming a 2degrees issue. DSE and Warehouse Stationarys (and the other chain stores) need some help from 2degrees to sort this problem. Reality is that the store manager could do it if they really wanted to, they have the ability to completely override pricing in their systems.

 
 
 

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  #427343 15-Jan-2011 09:00
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I'd agree with you there Quickymart: Too hard basket, at least at the end, even for the managers.
Important to remeber that both stores were very busy indeed with all the staff run off their feet. I will say though, when pressed, everyone did their best. They simply didn't know what to do. I was rather put out that they weren't aware of their own in-store advertising though.
As with nakedmolerat's experience, at WHS my wife did all the data entry so that the sales assistant could relay what was being said to her over the phone. In many cases what she was told din't relate to what the screen showed and didn't match what the manual said either. SIM card numbers were a big issue and we had to try 4 different ones before the system would let us proceed.
At the end of the day this was a combination of an overly complex system (far more so than the Telecom one we subsequently went through) and an utter lack of training.
Shops like WHS and DS sell a lot of products and we all expect the sales staff to know something about everything so I don't blame those guys for not having much detailed product knowledge.
As someone said above, this is never going to work well until 2 Degrees has it's own highstreet outlets.

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  #427347 15-Jan-2011 09:21
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itxtme:
quickymart: A baby they might be, but I would have thought that given them the time it took them to get up and running (almost 10 years, from memory) they should have had correct, functioning processes like this in place from day one. They've been around almost 18 months now, and it's a bit worrying to hear they're having issues like this - especially the referring-potential-customers-to-their-competitors part.


Thats a DSE problem, that 2degrees is on the receiving end of.  I am sure the manager of the store would be pissed to hear his staff are throwing away revenue.  If i became aware of a staff member doing that, remedial training would be in order if that individual wanted to keep their job.


In my case, it was the DSE manager that told me to go to warehouse stationary or smith city. They admitted that the process was very 'difficult' for them. I waited and signed up there because one of them was keen enough to do it for me.

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  #427349 15-Jan-2011 09:24
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mananon: As someone said above, this is never going to work well until 2 Degrees has it's own highstreet outlets.


Unfortunately even staff in 2degrees' own retail outlets are grossly lacking in knowledge of products and procedures, as myself and another Geekzone user have recently discovered

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  #427361 15-Jan-2011 10:33
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I read through that alasta and would agree that there's no real excuse in a 2 Degrees retail outlet.
Frustrating as our experience was, I did sympathise with the guys at DSE. We tied up one of the three sales assistants and the manager for a long time on a very busy day. Other customers were walking out as they couldn't get help with their own queries.
Everyone tried really hard to help, except the last tele-sales girl, and even she wasn't unhelpful. She was sympathetic but less interested than the other tele-sales guys who bent over backwards to try to get more help from their supervisors.
Every call I made was answered in under a minuet and I got the best service I've had over the phone in years. Sadly that didn't make any difference to the end result.

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  #427579 16-Jan-2011 10:49
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2degrees system seems to be geared towards self-service.

Most likely the lack of training in the various stores is due to the fact that everything can be done either online or by phone (generally).... Their may be a lack of training in terms of pointing customers in the right self-service direction.

AFAIK, buying a contract SIM is done in the same way as a prepaid SIM .. the activation of the contract comes after the activation of the SIM and profile.

I suspect that Mananon would have been able to do whatever it is he/she wanted if they had called the customer care center immediately after purchasing the SIM.

(I understand that you did indeed call customer care...)

No doubt your experience will get fed back to the people that need to know.

Sounds like 90% of your experience was dealing with retail staff from 3rd party vendors...


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  #427590 16-Jan-2011 11:38
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slippers: 2degrees system seems to be geared towards self-service.

Most likely the lack of training in the various stores is due to the fact that everything can be done either online or by phone (generally).... Their may be a lack of training in terms of pointing customers in the right self-service direction.

AFAIK, buying a contract SIM is done in the same way as a prepaid SIM .. the activation of the contract comes after the activation of the SIM and profile.

I suspect that Mananon would have been able to do whatever it is he/she wanted if they had called the customer care center immediately after purchasing the SIM.

(I understand that you did indeed call customer care...)

No doubt your experience will get fed back to the people that need to know.

Sounds like 90% of your experience was dealing with retail staff from 3rd party vendors...



The op was after a term contract, you cannot sign up for these online, so are required to vista the stores.

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  #427594 16-Jan-2011 11:52

Write a novel why don't you?

Its simple to say that the resellers haven't had the correct training or experience...

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  #427601 16-Jan-2011 12:09
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itxtme: 

The op was after a term contract, you cannot sign up for these online, so are required to vista the stores.


what do you mean by vista?

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