ISP caching servers and the 3 strikes law

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#89386 1-Sep-2011 11:18

I've been reading the threads regarding the 3 strikes law, and am wondering how or if it applies to Slingshot's caching servers
Are they simply exempt because they're an ISP/IPAP? (what exactly does IPAP stand for anyway??)

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#514956 1-Sep-2011 11:24

And while we're on it, what counts as "file locker services" and why would they be exempt from the notice sending process? - http://www.med.govt.nz/templates/Page____46862.aspx

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#514973 1-Sep-2011 11:47

tigercorp: I've been reading the threads regarding the 3 strikes law, and am wondering how or if it applies to Slingshot's caching servers
Are they simply exempt because they're an ISP/IPAP? (what exactly does IPAP stand for anyway??)

I believe exempt as a combination of entity type under the copyright law, and the function of the cache.

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#515004 1-Sep-2011 12:26

tigercorp: And while we're on it, what counts as "file locker services" and why would they be exempt from the notice sending process? - http://www.med.govt.nz/templates/Page____46862.aspx

Things like megaupload and rapidshare. The argument is that there is already a mechanism for rights holders to request takedowns of infringing material stored there (once they manage to find it), whereas there was no mechanism to do anything about infringing material shared by p2p.

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#515007 1-Sep-2011 12:33

jonb: ...

The argument is that there is already a mechanism for rights holders to request takedowns of infringing material stored there (once they manage to find it), whereas there was no mechanism to do anything about infringing material shared by p2p.

Aah, that makes sense.
I had assumed it was those types of services but couldn't see why.

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#515027 1-Sep-2011 13:07

Will be interesting to see how the performance of the cache changes with the law. at the moment its still pretty full with the public torrents that I grab, just have the 119.224.whatever range routed to the slingshot router, and the IPs of a couple of trackers so that the cache works. Then I fire up the VPN and get the remaining piece over that.

Not seen any varience in the speeds or completion from the cache, couple of hours after a torrent is new its normally got the 99.7% or so on the cache and pretty close to line speed (except in the evening)

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#515038 1-Sep-2011 13:18

richms, would like some details on how to do that. Is it a setting in your hardware, torrent application or firewall?

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#515047 1-Sep-2011 13:31

default route to nowhere on the box, route the /24 of 119.224.whateveritwas to the lan gateway, and also the 2 /24's that the 2 large public trackers use as well.

iptables rule on the firewall linux box to send anything to 119.224/16 to the slingshot router, and also routes on there for that as well, incoming port fowards for the torrent client only allowing 119.224.whatever/24 in, so that the cache can connect in.

OpenVPN seems to be broken in that if you have no default gateway set, it will not make the VPN become the default gateway on connection, so I have the torrent boxes gateway as an unused IP on the lan.

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#515405 1-Sep-2011 22:32

Unteresting points indeed,I know a great deal of people who use both torrenting and rapidshare however any site that allows you to download material from any such site is deemed copyright infringment,simply because you pay to be a member of say rapidshare does not excempt you from the fact that when you download a file you are breaking the law.
Ofcourse there are quite a few applications that can pretect you from detection however not completely yet some of them do a pretty good job of blocking anyone from seeing who you are or what you are downloading.

Finally what of Slingshots free downloading period during the early hours of the morning,this is obviously when most download via torrents or other file sharing applications

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#515419 1-Sep-2011 23:14

Yeah, but as those sites are not covered by the new law, and there are already adiquite takedown processes for them nothing there will change except for probably more popularity.

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#515424 1-Sep-2011 23:18

I have it on good knowledge that, at least at this point, the cache will be remaining.

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#515432 1-Sep-2011 23:39

"I'm a Doctor Who fan. I'm also online all the time, so I get spoilers from the marketing machine, from people who've already seen the show and so on. I watch it as soon as possible after it comes out in the UK. That makes me a criminal. I also watch it on TV when it screens here and I'll probably buy the DVDs as well, so there is no commercial loss for the rights holders

This was one of the comments made by the Head of the Telecommunications Association of N.Z in the New Zealand Herald...you can read the entire article via either M.S.N or through the Herald website,he also slams the Government for quite frankly not understanding at all the laws they had just brought into force.

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#515434 1-Sep-2011 23:45

unclehorse if you had a VPN then you could watch Dr Who streamed via the BBC iPlayer legally.

BBC - BBC One Programmes - Doctor Who, Series 6, Let's Kill Hitler
Without getting the classic,

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#515443 2-Sep-2011 01:32

hellonearthisman: unclehorse if you had a VPN then you could watch Dr Who streamed via the BBC iPlayer legally.

BBC - BBC One Programmes - Doctor Who, Series 6, Let's Kill Hitler
Without getting the classic,

If you're reasonably experienced with the BBC iPlayer you can watch it without using a VPN, just involves redirecting one of the servers to a proxy but saves on overhead from a VPN.

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#516166 3-Sep-2011 15:49

IPAP = IP Address Provider, or "Internet Protocol Address Provider" if you expand it fully.

It's subtly different in some way to ISP.

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#516187 3-Sep-2011 16:48

ISP caches are exempted and not infringing as per the copyright infringement.
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1994/0143/latest/DLM1705001.html?search=ts_all%40act%40bil...