And what is the perfectly reasonable cost of said licence?

sampler:

 

MikeAqua:

 

I find a licence to use a FTA public broadcast in a place of business odd.

 

Right ow there ae half a dozen people in our office listening to music on their headphones.  But if we were all listening to the same song via radio we would be expected to pay a fee?

 

I'd turn an office radio off before we paid any fee.

 

So that means fewer listeners for the station.  For musicians it means fewer people hear their songs and subsequently buy them.

 

Seems counter-productive.

 

 

Thats personal use, not public ?

 

It's personal use if everyone is listening to music individually at work, but if we are all listening to the same radio it's commercial use.

Silly.

sampler:

 

GZers,

 

Just to fill in everyone’s knowledge. After discussions with a number of government departments, quangos and the odd person who made sense ....

 

Yes a licence is required to display free-view in a commercial space if "the public" can see the image. That includes if you have a TV for staff that the public might be able to see.

 

As normal; fines ($150k) and imprisonment are on offer for the directors of companies who don't pay their required licence etc etc ie big stick.

 

The above is totally independent of the medium that the content is being provided over. Streamed, Freeview, DVD etc all would required a licence. The commercial Sky TV offering already includes the fee's required to play in a public space.

 

Hope this helps others in the future.

 

Cheers

 

Lee

 

Can you provide Source and verification of your claim.

Apsattv:

sampler:

GZers,

Just to fill in everyone’s knowledge. After discussions with a number of government departments, quangos and the odd person who made sense ....

Yes a licence is required to display free-view in a commercial space if "the public" can see the image. That includes if you have a TV for staff that the public might be able to see.

As normal; fines ($150k) and imprisonment are on offer for the directors of companies who don't pay their required licence etc etc ie big stick.

The above is totally independent of the medium that the content is being provided over. Streamed, Freeview, DVD etc all would required a licence. The commercial Sky TV offering already includes the fee's required to play in a public space.

Hope this helps others in the future.

Cheers

Lee

Can you provide Source and verification of your claim.

 

blakamin:

 

From here (PPNZ website)

 

 

 

"You require a OneMusic licence if you play radio or TV in your premises. You can get a licence by calling 0800 800 662, email info@onemusicnz.com or visit www.onemusicnz.com"

 

 

 

I used to deal with these a-ho...ahem,  people quite often.... saying no more

 

Oooo and how many businesses do that nowadays I see hairdressers and dentists and various other shops and workshops/garages with radios playing all day long I bet none of them have a License

Athlonite:

 

blakamin:

 

From here (PPNZ website)

 

 

 

"You require a OneMusic licence if you play radio or TV in your premises. You can get a licence by calling 0800 800 662, email info@onemusicnz.com or visit www.onemusicnz.com"

 

 

 

I used to deal with these a-ho...ahem,  people quite often.... saying no more

 

 

 

 

Oooo and how many businesses do that nowadays I see hairdressers and dentists and various other shops and workshops/garages with radios playing all day long I bet none of them have a License

 

A lot would. Enforcement and visits to ensure the that people pay is very common.

As someone who used to deal with PPNZ on a massive scale back in the day, there's nothing new in this... Ask any publican that has a TV or jukebox.

PPNZ (now OneMusic) have always enforced it, including surprise visits to anyone they suspected of not having a licence. I've seen many people get done.

It'a also not going to go away any time in the future. 

@Apsattv It's written right here... 

 

 

WHY DO I NEED A LICENCE?

 

Under the New Zealand Copyright Act 1994, music writers and the owners of the recordings of that music have a number of rights which allow them to control how and when their music is used and to negotiate payment for this use.

These rights include:  

 

 

• The right to perform music in public, (e.g. by playing a CD, radio, TV or by a live performance)
• The right to communicate music to the public, (e.g. a radio or television broadcast, via a music on hold system or to make available for download)
• The right to reproduce music, (e.g. copy music to CDs or other recording devices, such as an iPod)

Because it is difficult or impossible to obtain permission from every copyright owner prior to performing, communicating or reproducing their music, OneMusic has been established to provide a link between music users and creators and producers of the music.  OneMusic is a joint licensing initiative between APRA (who represent music writers and publishers) and Recorded Music NZ (who represent record companies and recording artists). Our role is to administer the rights of our members (i.e. a worldwide repertoire of music writers, publishers and record companies) and enable you to play music in public by taking one simple licence.

If you perform or communicate music to the public, or reproduce music, you need to obtain a OneMusic licence to comply with the  New Zealand Copyright Act 1994.

 

I hope everyone notes the bit that says "live performance" too... Shows how much these people love "artists" they look after.

Wow how the hell is this even enforcable in this day and age? of international tv and radio

"If you perform or communicate music to the public, or reproduce music, you need to obtain a OneMusic licence to comply with the  New Zealand Copyright Act 1994."

It looks like a rediculously out of date law.

How much do they make off this huge scam?

sampler:

 

 

 

Yes a licence is required to display free-view in a commercial space if "the public" can see the image. That includes if you have a TV for staff that the public might be able to see.

 

As normal; fines ($150k) and imprisonment are on offer for the directors of companies who don't pay their required licence etc etc ie big stick.

 

 

 

 

 

(a) So who are you supposed to pay it to?

(b) What is the price?

(c) Who enforces it?

(d) Is this in legislation?

UHD:
And what is the perfectly reasonable cost of said licence?

 

As per https://www.onemusicnz.com/licence-info/which-licence/ the licence ranges from ~$200 to many $1000's depending on who needs the licence and what area it will be available in.

MikeAqua:
It's personal use if everyone is listening to music individually at work, but if we are all listening to the same radio it's commercial use.

 

Silly.

If your place of work supplies the means the listen to the music (device,power, space?) then its enhancing your work environment. That will be $2.94 * the number of staff (per year)

blakamin:

 

I hope everyone notes the bit that says "live performance" too... Shows how much these people love "artists" they look after.

 

Yeah that’s interesting, I would assume (here we go) its referring to a live performance of someone else's material. So if your singing your own songs that’s not an issue.

CYaBro: And what if you're playing a streaming music service like Spotify?

Seems to not matter the medium (or provider), unless its covered in their fee's. I was under the impression Spotify was always for personal use only? (sorry never confirmed)

mattwnz:

 

(a) So who are you supposed to pay it to?

 

(b) What is the price?

 

(c) Who enforces it?

 

(d) Is this in legislation?

 

 

I think the bulk of the answers would be available on the OneMusic site -> www.onemusicnz.com

Quick update...

Re Spotify .... as of 2013 -https://community.spotify.com/t5/Accounts-and-Subscriptions/Use-Spotify-for-Commercial-use/td-p/483406

was not available for commercial use. Might have changed.

Quicker update!

https://www.soundtrackyourbrand.com/ - spotify for business .. kinda

sampler:

 

MikeAqua:
It's personal use if everyone is listening to music individually at work, but if we are all listening to the same radio it's commercial use.

 

Silly.

 

If your place of work supplies the means the listen to the music (device,power, space?) then its enhancing your work environment. That will be $2.94 * the number of staff (per year)

 

Which is why we got rid of the office radio ... their loss.

MikeAqua:

 

sampler:

 

MikeAqua:
It's personal use if everyone is listening to music individually at work, but if we are all listening to the same radio it's commercial use.

 

Silly.

 

If your place of work supplies the means the listen to the music (device,power, space?) then its enhancing your work environment. That will be $2.94 * the number of staff (per year)

 

 

Which is why we got rid of the office radio ... their loss.

 

Working through it "logically", if your place of work is or supplies a company car etc, it would mean a company needs to pay a licence if a staff member has the radio on while driving around. 

sampler:

 

 

 

Working through it "logically", if your place of work is or supplies a company car etc, it would mean a company needs to pay a licence if a staff member has the radio on while driving around. 

 

Brilliant.  That's even sillier. 

Yesterday I heard the receptionist humming something.  That's presumably a live performance and also liable for fee ....